Title: psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on June 24, 2003, 08:40:42 PM
| We have been talking about different aspects of the skin conditions.But I am more and more interested in psycological aspects of it.How do u keep yrself sane?;)No seriously...and i am asking also the mates of yrs.Has any of u seen a consultant?How was it?Did anything change?Any useful links to read?????Thanks! |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Nick on June 24, 2003, 09:00:12 PM
Hi Teo,
I have always been a supporter of the fact that skin disorders are very closely backed by a psychological effect on the sufferer.
By its very nature a skin disorder is not the sort of thing we can easily cure and some of us find it difficult to hide it in public. For many years I was always worried to go out in public when my facial P was bad. I always felt that people were staring at me, even if they weren't looking in my direction. I would never dream of wearing shorts, even in my own back garden. I knew that my biggest obstacle was always myself.
But, with Roni's help and encouragement I gradually started to wean myself off of it and started to grow more confident and secure. It took a long time before I was really over it and even now I don't advertise my P but likewise I'm not ashamed of it. It's just the way I am.
That doesn't mean though that I don't hate it when my face flares up, because I do. I go to work and when talking to people I watch them. Instead of looking me in the eye they dart from lesion to lesion on my face, it's quite upsetting but at the same time quite funny in a way.
If you fancy some good reading, take a peek at
http://www.skincarephysicians.com/psoriasisnet/apr.htm
Great question :up: |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Val on June 24, 2003, 10:21:53 PM
:hi: Teo,
I also think there is a psychological effect with all skin sufferer's, be it P. E or any other condition including those scarred by accident's, fire etc. Just being different I suppose.
I don't have any P on my face just my hands and feet, that is enough. I do however have many broken veins on my face left from a very bad asthma attack, this for years I tried to hide by make-up.
This does have an effect on us and we have to learn to live in our skin, even though we never learn to love it. In my opinion once we come to terms that we can't cure the problem (not yet at least), we can then learn to accept it. By doing that then we can see that there are a lot of people with much worse problems than us with a skin condition. Look at Simon Weston that got so badly burned in the 'Sir Galahad' in the Faulklands, or children with severe deformaties. Looking at my problems compared to theirs helped me come to terms with my own. After having said that, I would much rather someone ask me what is wrong rather than just stare.
No doubt some have seen a specialist dealing with the psychological side, and if this has helped them then I'm all for it. I'm just one of the lucky one's that did not need that kind of help.
A very good question you have posed. :)
:hug:
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: fishs on June 24, 2003, 10:53:49 PM
:hi:
Yes .. Teo,
You have raised a very pertinant question here ..
This to me seens to be the area of most concern for many sufferers . It needs some further indepth disucssion.
Many dermatologists and doctors are just not trained iin this key area and most other practitioners like psycologists and professional peoplr dealing with areas of depression etc have a very limited knowledge of the associated problems with skin conditions such as many of us have . I think iit is important to marry the two somehow..
Deal and understand the condition and fully understand what the ramifications and then deal and understand with the psycological problems that then present themselves such as anxiety, stress, depression, dealing with relationships, work environment, family,
Masking those symptoms instead of fully understanding them is not the answer. Each person also responds in their own way and each peron also has people around them who react and understand in different ways as well.
Good one Teo ..
There are a lot of areas here to provoke thought and discussion...
Fish..
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Cazzie on June 25, 2003, 05:28:32 AM
Hi Teodora,
Like Nick says, the toughest obstacle is yourself. No matter what anyone says, its sometimes a real struggle to cope with a skin disorder. I would try everything. There is something called the 'emotional freedom technique' that has helped me at times. I'm not too disciplined on this stuff and sometimes it's easier to feel sorry for myself than make an effort :) There is heaps you can try- prayer, meditation. Or a creative outlet to take the emphasis off the external- your skin- and get you focusing on something else.
Another goodie is helping others in some way- volunteering for a charity for example. this can give you a real feeling of self-worth that has nothing to do with what you look like. You also can gain a better perspective on how lucky you are- which is great when your feeling really down.
Keep trying is all I can say. Its tough when your disorder is or may be causing you alot of physical pain as well but you have to try and re-gain your spirit in any way you can.
Being honest about it helps too. I've found telling other people about it makes me feel good.
Cazzie |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Cazzie on June 25, 2003, 05:29:39 AM
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on June 25, 2003, 06:09:26 PM
Well I wanted to raise that question because it seems essential for our inner emotional stability,especially with a skin conditon.Honestly I have never been able to understand people who stare at others for any physical reason and what is worst being partial because of that.But on the other hand I myself do not know how one feels with a skin condition.My uncle has P and I rememebr that he got extremely stressed over it...but this made the things worst....He became more and more ashamed and irritable and the circle closed.I think that it is very hard to get out of the mind patterns which one has adopted concerning how he views himself. I believe that a healthy self esteem has to start since childhood as something given by the parents. And if later in life something hits u u are able to maintain that positive view of yrself.
I am not sure that comparing with other people helps raising ones self esteem. In reality maybe but I have always been afraid to make that comparison.
Nick, yr post just made me believe that 1 person can change(even as u said- it happens slowly).In theory I know that love can conquer the worst obstacles but in reality I have seen so many bad examples that yr post was really encouraging(What's Rony's email?;))I think she would be able to share some insights also.....
Thanks to all of u folks!
And Val i do like yr Andy Warhol's look.....;);)
Teo |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Val on June 25, 2003, 09:40:23 PM
And Val i do like yr Andy Warhol's look.....;);)
Teo
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:roll: Never looked at it that way before ;) :roll:
Teo, it's always good to ask questions :) it makes us look at things more closely even our own feelings and that is the best way for us to learn. You have the knack of asking the deeper questions and I applaud you for that. :clap: ;)
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on June 26, 2003, 01:23:28 PM
Thanks Val.....
What i was thinking is while reading all those web sites I've noticed that people suffering from skin conditions have similar feelings and the the interesting thing was that they all feel their sitiation is unique.But I've been thinking is that if we(I am including myself in the process)can share them it will have very positive effect.That's why i am looking forward to see other people included in the conversation. |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Nick on June 26, 2003, 09:34:45 PM
I can't argue with that Teo :hug:
A few months ago I even sent an e-mail to the British Association of Dermatologists. In the email I touched on the fact that skin dirsorders can be so terribly traimatic to the patients that see them and I asked very nicely what degree of training in psychological techniques the dermatologists receive as part of their 7 year course. Unfortunately they never ever replied.
I think that greater thought should be given by the medical fraternity about the overall (physical and emotional) well being of the patient.
Some of us (like me) are lucky and have a great emotional buffer to help us through the problems, but what about those of us who don't have that level of understanding from their partners ? |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: roni on June 27, 2003, 03:11:15 PM
When I first met Nick he told me he had *P , he showed me his patches (I couldn't even see them ??? ) and he explained what it was. He told me that he felt quite embarrassed about it hence the reason he never wore shorts. This changed when I said to him "If it doesnt bother me why should it bother anyone else, and if they dont like it they can sod off" Even to today when he "so-says" has bad patches I can not see them until he points them out. His mam has told me a number of times that sometimes his patches get quite big on his face but still i dont see them. I think this is because I love Nick whether he has patches or not and because it doesnt bother me I just dont see them. Does this make any sense ?? I think if it did start to bother me Nick would feel really bad about it and our relationship would probably end.
We are all born with some sort of defect in our lives, this I think enables us to be better aware of ourselves. Why should you cover up if you have a skin condition. Poor ami had to suffer humiliation during her course at a local college. The problem is education, children should be taught at school about different types of skin conditions and how to relate to people with them. Unfortunately this doesnt happen so we now have a generation of children who think it is ok to mock, tease and stare at people because they are different, it's annoying but true.
Anyway the only thing I do see is when he comes home and tells me his work colleagues were looking at his *P rather than talking to him and I see how distressed he is about it and there is nothing I can do to help him, because he wont let me go to work and kick their butts.
For me I will never have a problem with it, he could have patches everywhere and it still wouldnt change. He is Nick, my Nick *P and all. |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Monika on June 27, 2003, 06:34:36 PM
| Unfortunately this doesnt happen so we now have a generation of children who think it is ok to mock, tease and stare at people because they are different, it's annoying but true. |
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I think in a sense even more subtle than mocking, teasing and staring... we're also getting a generation that thinks they have the right to say to others whatever is on their mind. It doesn't matter what others think or how it makes them feel, because it's more important to be "honest" and "open." They don't stop to think that their comments are rude and hurtful, and they probably don't even care.
Just like you and Nick - Jerod doesn't notice my eczema much, even when it gets really bad, I have to point it out... it's always a caring, loving approach. Jerod gets folliculitis on his face (pseudofolliculitis barbae), but I don't really notice it, either. I think we each notice the distress it causes, more than the actual patches.
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on June 27, 2003, 08:15:12 PM
Roni,
thanks for including yrself in the conversation! I've been looking forward to that!!!!!I also belive that beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder.In my case it is not that I do not notice them(the scars etc.)But I do not find them as disgusting as my b/f sees them and in urn expects me to react.On the other hand cos he has received so much rejection because of this condition -he expects it from people and gets very shy.This in turn switches on my defend system and in my desire to "protect"him I get angry at him ??? when he feels that way.Because I just do not see why......Why should u rely on peoples estimation to build yr selfesteem? I know how painful it could be especially in teenage years but we have to find something deeper to rely on.People are evil(Not sure if Monika will agree on that ;)).In general relying on people's oppinion can be very very frustrating.If there are people u can trust-friends,relatives-the ones who really care for u why should u bother for all the others?I have had my bad periods and have learnt that people's thoughts are really like steam-they are there but soon disappear and if I build the way I view myself on that -what a pity!When in turn I looked in most of their lives(the lives of the mockers) they would be amazed if they knew what i'd thought about them ;) ;) ;)(This is my own reaction at rejection though)Anyway I do not think we ahve to suffer in silence.Polite emails can do some good but they will not change the situtation.We ahve to do something more serious if we want to help others who suffer.And this site is a great start. :)I am not sure what else can be done but if we rely on the system itself nothing will change.I have heard a saying that "if the baby doesn't start crying the mother will not give him milk ".That's why we ahve to find ways to approach that problem more dramatically.Badges with "this is just eczema"inscription will not help.Healing the owtward by putting tons of creams also....I am sorry that I am raising questions but not giving answers.... :(What about if we all "start crying?" |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: fishs on June 27, 2003, 09:37:56 PM
:hi:
Teo..
Good thread this ..
Don't worry about raising or posing questions .. By doing this you provoke thought and get people thinking over the problems .. and stimulate debate .
Fish
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Val on June 27, 2003, 10:18:26 PM
| Even to today when he "so-says" has bad patches I can not see them until he points them out. His mam has told me a number of times that sometimes his patches get quite big on his face but still i dont see them. I think this is because I love Nick whether he has patches or not and because it doesnt bother me I just dont see them. Does this make any sense ?? I think if it did start to bother me Nick would feel really bad about it and our relationship would probably end. |
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Yes Roni it could be down to love, but also (I think) because of the type of person you are. When we first met you didn't even notice mine remember ??? But on the other hand neither me or Bert could see Nicks till he pointed it out. ;)
| We are all born with some sort of defect in our lives, this I think enables us to be better aware of ourselves. Why should you cover up if you have a skin condition. Poor ami had to suffer humiliation during her course at a local college. The problem is education, children should be taught at school about different types of skin conditions and how to relate to people with them. Unfortunately this doesnt happen so we now have a generation of children who think it is ok to mock, tease and stare at people because they are different, it's annoying but true. |
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Well said Roni :clap: education, education, education as someone once said, there lies the solution to a lot of these problems. But let us not forget that it's not only skin sufferers that go through this, it is everyone that is different. :(
| Anyway the only thing I do see is when he comes home and tells me his work colleagues were looking at his *P rather than talking to him and I see how distressed he is about it and there is nothing I can do to help him, because he wont let me go to work and kick their butts. |
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I must ask this Nick, but have you ever tried looking at them in a different way? Instead of looking them straight in the eye, try focusing on another part of them thier ear's, hair or shoulder say. It's amazing how nervious they get when you do this, most will nip to the loo sharpish to see what you were staring at. :lol: I've caught a few out this way when they've just looked at my hands with just an occasional glimps at my face, they always manage to notice you doing it back. :laugh:
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Monika on June 28, 2003, 12:05:40 AM
| People are evil(Not sure if Monika will agree on that ;)).In general relying on people's oppinion can be very very frustrating. |
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I don't really think people are evil... But I do think they're stupid and mean. The mean people who mock and stare are ultimately self-centered, and too stupid to realize any of it. :lol:
| If there are people u can trust-friends,relatives-the ones who really care for u why should u bother for all the others? |
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Great point Teodora! :hug: |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Celery Peach on June 28, 2003, 12:31:07 PM
:hi:
Can I join in with my HS here ?
My problem is not so much my appearance, as the HS is pretty much tucked away in private places, tho they have started to spread down my arms which I just cover up. Its how people percieve me that I worry about. Here, if Im grumpy & moaning you all understand and support, or if I feel really grumpy I can consider my posts before posting them. (thank goodness for the 'reset form' button ::) ) I arnt as dependable as I used to be, I cant make plans cos I dont know how my disease is gonna behave from one day to the next, and I just hate letting people down. I cant do as much with the school for the kids and I felt misjudged, like as if I just didnt care. I find it hard to explain to people, 'well ermm, I get these large boils in my groin & armpits, that can be excruitiatingly painful.....' . Its private and embarressing, and why should I ? Just the word 'boil' seems to disgust people...hence I call them lumps now. I have 2 true friends around me, to who I can say, yes I'd love to come when they invite me anywhere, but they understand that I might cry off at last minute and its not a problem, and I love them, bless 'em :-* I tried early on when the HS got really bad to explain to other people, friends, family about the illness and my mood swings but they dont wanna know it seems. So, now I give out printouts of a HS document instead of explanations, then its down to them. I gave one in at the school, and I now find them much more helpful. (tho my eldests teacher is a bit of a witch, keeps nagging us about his homework :-[ )
as for my dear hubby, well after ten years together, he's well used to my lumps, tho they have gotten worse lately. When I show him my latest 'friends' he doesnt even flinch, I can show him the juiciest goriest armpit and the first thing he comments on is my lack of a shave :lol: He's just so sorry he cant do anything to ease the pain. He's also angry and cant believe that there isnt many options for treatment. Poor Nick, he puts up with my moods, Im afraid Im just 'pyscho bitch from hell' some days :-X
I'm gonna sound really old here, but I find kids do speak their minds more these days but they dont understand the consequences (or dont care in some cases? that is down to their parents who should teach their children manners >:() I want my kids to grow up as individuals, but I also explain to them that things they say can hurt people badly. If they do happen to point, stare, say something rude, (cos kids sometimes just point out the unusual ) I tell them off within earshot of the person they are referring too, and make it perfectly clear that it is not acceptable. I usually then get a smile or a :up: and even sometimes they will talk to the children and explain a little.
Adults can be Evil Teddy, but usually it is down to their own insecurities. You're right, why should we care what they think, we are loved and accepted by the important people in our lives, its their problem and their loss :nod: Cause as you see by this site, people with skin conditions are lovely, normal ;) caring people. Its true what they say, these things make you a stronger person once you have come to terms with them. Im working on it....... |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Cazzie on June 29, 2003, 04:31:33 AM
This is a great thread like Fish said because I feel lucky to be getting a better insight into how all of you cope with a skin disorder and at the same time you all show such strength of character that I find inspiring. I don't have a PC anymore which is a shame because I can't visit this site unless I borrow my sister's PC for a night. When I am feeling crappy or sorry for myself due to my rosacea I like to think of all of you and realise I'm not alone.
To get back to the topic, I tell people I have a skin disorder called rosacea but I am sure they have no idea what effect it has on my life and even if I explain bits of it, its kind of hard to explain. I think most people think its a vanity thing- like with me, people will comment on my skin looking better on the outside. Nobody knows what it is like to flush and how much it physically hurts when my face flushes. Sure, when my skin looks better on the outside I feel more confident but I feel alot better when my skin doesn't flush for hours. Or when I feel more relaxed about it overall. My family understand and I don't feel I have to pretend in front of them. I do avoid them when a flush lasts for ages though. I know what you mean by psycho bitch from hell, Celery. I tend to isolate myself when I am flushing and/or when I am feeling pissed off about my rosacea. Sometimes I feel guilty about feeling so down about it but I know so many people with rosacea (& skin disorders) go through this psychological fight with it. I personally always thought of having clear skin as a sign of being healthy or normal. It's so stupid. I also found I can tell strangers about it but not my close friends- go figure that one out! I'd rather not talk about my rosacea too much because I feel really exposed and vulnerable. I am better now about talking about and can make jokes (to a point) about it. I'm assuming the longer I have it, the more accepting I will be, the more acceptable other people will be. I feel like if I could stop beating myself up over it and just let go and accept it, everything will be okay. But like everything, its a day to day thing and it takes work.
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora's boyfriend on July 02, 2003, 05:18:38 PM
Have been thinking about how to answer the questions of psychological effects ....
I find it very ahrd to see what has affected me and how. Often it takes someone to point things out that are normal to you.
I cannot comprehend what it is to not itch all the time .... but i am told this is not the case for everyone....
I think the biggest effects for me are the way people have reacted (especially at school) and the fact that i now assume everyone will react that way. I have an objection to white shirts, as they show up blood so well. Years of having to wear them at school, and dreading the hot weater as it would be necessary to take the blazer off..... the nicknames that bad skin can give you ....
In general i guess it has left me with the impression of being unwanted and unaccepted because of it.
Everytime I reach out to shake hands I am aware of the marks .... and it is very hard to believe that other people do not see them. I guess I personally have to learn that other people do not see the mark quite so easily as i do ....
but how should i deal with that permanent scrathing i do ..... do people not notice that as well ??? |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: andy50 on July 02, 2003, 07:49:37 PM
| i`ve enjoyed reading through this thread teodora as it`s brought up many interesting thoughts on how we deal with our skin problems,the seborrheoic dermatitis i suffer from is usually confined to my face and as nick touched on it can be most stressful having to look someone in the eye,for many years i found doing this almost impossible,looking back i maybe should have discussed with my g.p. how down i felt cos of my skin but i was wary of being stuck on anti-depressants,during this time i found the hardest thing in my life was to go to work and have to face all those people with"normal"skin,i would always stay quiet and surpress my personality just because i didnt want anyone looking at me more than they had to,i find though that with the passage of years you become more tolerant of your condition,that`s not to say you accept it but just learn to live with it a bit more.you go through all those bad phases when you feel anger,frustration,hurt and self pity but i never realised till later in life that it takes guts to go out and face the world when your skin`s bad,i think all us sufferers are stronger than we probably realise for dealing with our skin troubles. |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on July 02, 2003, 08:18:00 PM
| I think that people look but they do not see.And even if they see the image doesn't stay in their minds more than 2 seconds(lucky b/f;)).We are all obsessed with ourselves and for this reason we do not pay much more attention to anybody else than us.As for kids most of them deserve spanking for their behaviour in case it is ugly(as mentioned b4).It is true that they are just kids and we need to understand where they are in their development but...i like what CP said about the way she deals with her children.But also the role of the teacher at school is important cos this is the place where they interact with other kids and they need that authoritative person.I know how hurtful school years could be for someone who is not the leader in the class-the most handsome and popular person etc.And we carry those wounds throughout all our lives and they set up the paradigm of it.The way we view ourselves and others.That's why I love this site so much.It is a place where people who have been into those dark places can reach out to help others.And this is glorious! |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on July 02, 2003, 08:30:36 PM
quote ""Everytime I reach out to shake hands I am aware of the marks .... and it is very hard to believe that other people do not see them. I guess I personally have to learn that other people do not see the mark quite so easily as i do .... "
As for this i am not sure that I can be of any help...but imagine-u shake hand and u just do not think about how yr hand looks but for example"how beautiful her eyes are"(well may be this is not the best example ;)).But just imagine that u do not start thinking what u have used to think.And this will affect only yr behaviour.U will be less tensed and laid back.People's reaction will not change but yr focus will not be on how yr hand looks and this will make the difference.In short-we can control our minds,we can discipline them.And if we use it in that direction we will benefit...We can not change people but we can change the way we think about ourselves.
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"but how should i deal with that permanent scrathing i do ..... do people not notice that as well" ???
I really don't know.The easiest way is to tell u-never mind the people..but I know that all this makes u selfconscious and concentrated on how to avoid the scratchig.My thesis is that people do not think about others more than 2 seconds ;) ;)So start counting 1, 2...... :-*
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Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: fishs on July 02, 2003, 09:42:02 PM
:hi:
Another good one there Teo..
Well If the hand shake problem is a self conceous one I would suggest concentrate on perhaps taking the problem out of the equasion.. One could concentrate on making more effort on eye contact with the person you are extending the hand shake with ..Extend your hand and instead of subconceously looking down at the hand making contact make a point of maintaining eye contact with the other person which will usually take their ability of an automatic glance down at the hand as well..
Eye contact is a very powerfull mental tool.. Magicians and Illusionists have been practicing this technique for ages . Whilst the hold you initial interest with eye contact they are working their magic with one or both hands ..
If you sit and watch a magic show and just concentrate on magicians hands you will see what I mean..
Fish |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on July 03, 2003, 05:05:02 PM
| In fact I am sure that we emit signals which others can read.If u look someone in the eyes u emit confidence...although u may not ahve it inside.This applies to job interviews as well.Eye contact is extremely importnat I believe.... |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on July 03, 2003, 05:06:51 PM
| PS but his question was do people notice scratching and how to get rid of the feeling that everybody is watching u. |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Celery Peach on July 03, 2003, 05:13:54 PM
| :nod: :nod: O Yes Teddy ! The windows to the soul my mum allways said. I struggle with eye contact, I might as well be stood in the nude when someone is 'boring' into me. I know its not a good thing, I'v been called 'shifty' looking cos of it. Im working on it tho..... |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on July 03, 2003, 05:19:10 PM
| I have read that if u can not look people straight in the eyes u just have to look between their eyebrows.This gives the other person the impression that u look them in the eyes. Try this one CP:) |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: fishs on July 04, 2003, 06:19:53 AM
:hi:
Hi Teo .
Yes I think that people who are not familiar to anyone may notice someone scratching . I would think that if It is someone who you have been around with in familiar surroundings then I say no they most often would not really be aware of it .. In other words it may have become a normal trait or just something that is now not evident to them ..
I am not sure how you overcome the self awareness .. perhaps if you feel that others are looking then move position or try distracting tactics such as asking if everone would like a drink or give them all a lollie from a canister or light up a smoke etc etc .. All sorts of things you can try .. It depends what you are doing and what situation you are in .. But let them know in some way that you are not in the sllightest worried about them watching ..
Fish |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: fishs on July 04, 2003, 06:27:24 AM
:hi:
Teo ..
yes you are correct .. people do subconceously give off signals in any manner of subtle actions .. This is a fascinating study .. I am very interested in this .. There is eye contact, hand guestures , touching , leg movement , the tossing or playing with ones hair , the way one leans or smiles or reacts to the guestures and responses to others etc etc ..
Fascinating .. and you can read a lot into what people are about from this .. I have read some books by an Australian Author called Alan Pease on this subject and he is a specialist in this area of human relationships ..
Fish |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: fishs on July 04, 2003, 06:42:11 AM
:hi:
Hi Teo..
I just found that book ..
It's called " Body language " .. by Alan Pease.
he has written several books . Another good one is
"Why Men Lie and Women Cry"
Body Language was a best seller world wide and is an excellent book .. One of the best on this subject .. so you should be able to get a copy.
See if you can get hold of a copy and have a read .. He has a Complete chapter in there also on Eye Contact ..
I think you will find it excellent ..
Fish |
Title: Re:psycological effect of excema and psoriasis
Post by: Teodora on July 04, 2003, 10:25:01 AM
Ian, I love this line- "But let them know in some way that you are not in the sllightest worried about them watching .. " This is most important I believe.
As for the body language it will be an interesting read but I just find it too hard to practice it.I have heard that businessmen,salesmen,politicians have experst who analyse and then teach them the proper body language so they may emit the needed singnals(selfconfidence,truth,strenght etc)...But I am sure that as Nick said that it is a battle in yr own mind first.
I think I have seen this book translated.Thanks.Will have a look.. |
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