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Title: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday June 13, 2006, 11:26:25 PM
In 1984 when I was in my early forties, I had lost the lower lobe of my right lung, due to the Army, an early tobacco addiction, and frequent pneumonia's.  These resulted in bronchaictasis, a distention of the alveoli allowing the stagnation of mucossal secretions. 
This developed fertile ground for infected pockets to develop in my lungs which could ultimately be life-threatening if I kept coming down with my frequent colds, flu and pneumonia's.  Having quit smoking during the space program was very beneficial to my overall health, but my respiratory system (my weakest link) was still on the verge of killing me at any point in time that an opportunistic infection took hold. 

Had I not developed the following prophylaxis, I would very likely have died in the 1980˜s.  Since then, many thousands of people have learned how to do the procedure.  My calculations indicate that a much smaller number, on the order of three to four thousand people do it regularly and consistently, reaping the maximum benefit.  The sad truth is though, that most people will not incorporate even a simple two-minute procedure into their daily hygiene routine.  Even in the SARS crisis of a few years ago and with the potential for an H5N1 (avian Flu) pandemic still threatening, the numbers of people who actually get into the firm habit of doing the procedure regularly, on a daily basis, have not exceeded a third of those taught.  That is sad indeed.  Even the fact that THE PROCEDURE ALSO CUTS ALLERGIC RESPONSES TO AIRBORN ALLERGENS BY HALF has not increased those numbers.  I did not begin teaching large numbers of people outside my circle of family and friends until 1990.  By the mid-nineties, I had heard from a great many allergy-prone individuals, of this serendipitous side-effect.  What a pleasant surprise!

But now, without further preamble, here is what you do:

While in the shower, take a couple of Q-tip style cotton swabs, saturated with  (nothing but) clear warm water.  NO SOAP OR ANY OTHER LOTION ON THE SWABS.  Swab the nasal passages as high as you can comfortably reach.  Do this gently but be thorough.  I rinse the swabs perhaps a half dozen times during this swabbing.  The purpose here is to clean out the great bulk of the detritus.  You are only going up perhaps an inch or an inch and a quarter on each side.  You are not trying to reach the brain-pan with the swabs.  If the swabs won't go that far up, not to worry.  It's going to work anyway.  Now, most of the accumulation of debris and the populations of the indigenous organisms in the nasal passages have been largely eliminated.  This is step 1.

After drying off, lay down on the bed with some fresh cooking oil of your choice and some fresh new swabs.  You can use corn oil or safflower or rapeseed (canola) or olive oil.  If you are allergic to peanut oil, DON'T use peanut oil.  We have been talking about coconut oil.  I had never used it,  assuming wrongly that it had a strong coconut smell.   I was not correct in this assumption, and coconut oil is at the top of the list of approved oils for this procedure now.   But there is good reason not to use other more highly aromatic oils.  There are two separate olfactory apparati working in the nose.  Our ordinary sense of smell, we are all familiar with.  The other sense, which most of us never become consciously aware of, is governed by the vomeronasal organ.  The function of this organ is sensing special aromas, pheremonal in nature.  These scents are delivered to entirely different areas of the brain than the other smells we perceive.  It is important not to interfere with the functions of this organ since it is so closely associated with our instincts, and subtle social behaviors, and we don't want to mess up the various elements involved.  The procedure outlined here does not adversely impact the function of the vomeronasal system.

In any case, you are now laying on your back on the bed, have dipped the swabs in the vegetable oil of your choice, and are now swabbing your nasal passages just as far as you did with the water swabs when you were in the shower.  You are now coating the nasal membrane, which has already been moisturized with the only real moisturizer there is.  Water.  You have now covered this pre-moistened surface with an oil sheen which will help prevent the moisture from being evaporated away by the cold desiccated air in the same way that chap stick prevents your lips from chapping.

Let's look at the nasal membrane with a little flashlight..  Notice how red it is, particularly that portion which is hardest to observe,  the narrow channel  just below the bridge of the nose.  It is even brighter red than the surrounding areas of  nasal membrane.  It is such a bright red because you are seeing the blood through the membrane.  This is where the viruses most often make their illegal entry into your bloodstream.  Notice also the little cilia-like hairs which are so effective as filters of the larger particles in the air we breathe. 

I usually tell people that it is not generally a good idea to snort anything back further in the nasal passage.  This is an exception to that.  Your nose has been pretty thoroughly cleaned.  It is still far from sterile, but the jungle of organisms are mostly gone.  You have now coated the moist membrane and the tiny hairs with the oil, but if the oil gets up a bit further than the swabs have reached, so much the better.

What time of year do respiratory viruses occur?  During colder, more variable weather.  Those times when your lips are likely to chap.  Why do your lips chap?  You are frequently going into cold exterior environments with very dry desiccated air, from moist interior environments.  We do this often during  the fall and winter.  We notice the chapping of our lips because we flex them continuously by talking, and the cracks which develop are very large because of the flexing.  The same thing is happening to the nasal membrane.  The fissures are, by comparison to the lips, microscopic.  Even so, to a virus particle, these membrane fissures are like the Grand Canyon.

VIRUSES CANNOT REPLICATE IF THEY DO NOT FIRST MAKE ENTRY INTO THE BLOODSTREAM, INVADE OUR INDIVIDUAL CELLS, SET UP THE CELLULAR MANUFACTURING APPARATUS WITH THE VIRAL BLUEPRINT AND TURN THE PLACE INTO A VIRAL FACTORY.

OK let's review:
   Step 1.  Cleanse the nasal passages with swabs saturated with clear, fresh water.
   Step 2.  Lay on the bed and swab passages with vegetable oil.  NOT Vaseline,  NOT mineral oil, NOT 10-30 Motor oil, NOT glycerin,
               NOT dimethylpolysiloxane.
               JUST VEGETABLE OIL that you are not allergic to.
   Step 3.  Wipe your nose.  That is to say, remove the excess oil from the eighth inch or so of the vestibular area of the nasal passage  until no more oil is coming out.
   Step 4.  Congratulate yourself for remembering to do it every day.
   Step 5.  If you have health care providers, show them this.  Tell them you are doing it.  Answer any questions they might have or refer them to me for any further clarification that might be required.
   Step 6. Carefully teach others how to do it or let them read this.
   Step 7. There is no step seven.

One final thing.  When to do it.  Do it every day that you are going to be exposed to other people.  Do it before you go out into the world.  Not before you go to bed at night.  For allergic responses, do it before you are going to be exposed to high  concentrations of allergens, like vacuuming the carpets, mowing the weeds or raking the leaves.  The allergic responses will be abated by more than half in severity.  Respiratory viral disease will be virtually eliminated in terms of symptomatically apparent disease.  You are not living in a bubble or scrubbing your hands every 10 minutes or refusing to shake hands like Howard Hughes.  You are just living a much healthier life.  Continue to do the other prudent things like washing your hands, getting proper nutrition and adequate rest.

Please do it for yourselves and let me know how it worked out for you.  And let's talk about SNEEZING, a very interesting phenomenon.
To your health!
Anthropositor

For the short procedure, please go to post #205 of this thread, written for the AH1N1 Pandemic of 2009.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday June 13, 2006, 11:36:11 PM
Forgot to mention I haven't had a cold or flu or pneumonia since 1984.  Judging by my previous history, I have prevented approximately seven bouts of flu, more than sixty colds and an unknown number of pneumonia's, which might have done me in.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 12:42:39 AM
Thank you for sharing this with the members, Anthro!

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: GMAW on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 02:43:58 AM
   I have never heard of this and I worked for years in the neonatal icu.  ,  glad to learn this , very interesting and all makes good sense to me   . I have got to find someone with allergies to try this on .(  my best friend, )  will let you know more when I get her to do this. ;)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 09:37:41 AM
Thanks for sharing Anthro.

 :hugs:

Woo
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 01:35:19 PM
Hi GMAW,
 ===I have never heard of this and I worked for years in the neonatal icu.  ,  glad to learn this , very interesting and all makes good sense to me   . I have got to find someone with allergies to try this on .(  my best friend, )  will let you know more when I get her to do this. ===.

This is not really a suitable procedure for neonates or babies under the age of six months.  And of course, the central reason for employing this practice is the prevention of viral infection.  The reduction of allergic reactions to airborn allergens is just a fortuitous
bonus.

Uh, won't your friend be more inclined to do this if her friend has already done it for herself?

Here is a list of reasons a person should not do this.

1. There is no nose.  (This is an extremely rare congenital condition requiring reconstructive surgery.)
2. The person has never, ever had a cold or the flu and has an overwhelming curiosity about what these diseases are like.
3. The person has a pathological fear of Q-tip style cotton swabs.
4. The person enjoys being ill and won't give it up.

That's all I can think of.  I'll bet none of these reasons apply to you, so why not give it a try?
To your good health.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Alohamora on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 01:54:56 PM
The thing is, an allergy sufferer could possibly get some instant gratification with this. 

What do you think of the idea of hay fever sufferers doing this 2x a day? Once in the morning as you suggest, and then again after coming indoors after exposure to pollens? 

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 06:01:44 PM
Hi Aloha,
There is certainly no problem with doing this two or several times a day.  At the peak of cold and flu season, this is reccomended.
Doing it before exposure to allergens is much more helpful than doing it after exposure, but it is also true that many people who suffer from airborn allergens outdoors are also allergic to household airborn allergens without being entirely aware of it.  You might do it before vacuuming the carpet or using powdered cleansers or detergents.  Few of us are as careful of these products as we could be or should be. 

Some have reported that their reactions to cat hair, dander and saliva have gone away, but under such conditions, three or four applications a day are more likely to be effective.  I just sold a $50 cross-bred exotic Persian kitten to a lady who had previously been unable to get near cats.  (I am an unbreeder.  I cross overbred pedigreed cats back into strong mongrel lines to eliminate physical defects often brought about by ill-advised selective breeding.)   I told her to bring the kitten back if she has any trouble.  She swabs her nasal passages four or more times a day and rarely requires her medication.  She has had the kitten for more than a month now.  I don't think I will be getting it back. 

But keep in mind, the chief reason to engage in this procedure is to prevent viral infections.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 08:56:38 PM
I've been doing this, and waiting for Anthro to post so I can talk about it! :nod:

It's hard to remmeber to do every day... at least it was for me. And so yes, I skipped a few days... :hide: and therefore it's no big surprise that I'm suffering from "a touch of something" that was apparenly an end-of-the-year viral present for the teacher. ::) But, I can (and will!) speak whole-heartedly on the positive effects it's had on my allergies.

Even done haphazardly, I've notived a marked differnce in my sniffling/sneezing/itching/noseblowing. The effect is instantaneous. One day I missed it and doubled my kleenex consumption! It doens't make my allergies go away entirely, but it does help... and every little bit helps, believe me. I'd say it's only slightly less effective than my meds, and those are prescription (expensive) and take a while to do up.

I don't lay down to swab my schnozz in the mornings, but I do tilt my head back. It smells like olive oil for a minute but that's not bad. :)


Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Alohamora on Wednesday June 14, 2006, 10:59:06 PM

Doing it before exposure to allergens is much more helpful than doing it after exposure... 


It's not obvious to me why that would be true.  Do you have a theory to explain why or is this based on real-life experimentation?

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Thursday June 15, 2006, 06:33:59 AM

Doing it before exposure to allergens is much more helpful than doing it after exposure... 


It's not obvious to me why that would be true.  Do you have a theory to explain why or is this based on real-life experimentation?


I'd venture a guess that it is because the oil prevents (some or all of) the allergens from being absorbed by the body.

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday June 15, 2006, 07:01:40 AM
Yes Wooley, that's the biggest part of it.
Bamawing, so glad you showed up.  Thank you so much for your input!  I am jammed up for time now.  I'll address your post as soon as I can.
I can add a bit to what Wooley has said, but she pretty well nailed it.  Got to go now.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: mnm mom on Thursday June 15, 2006, 04:12:59 PM
i am glad you brought this up.
I never heard of using a q-tip i just cup my hands under my nose in the shower and breath in the water till it hits the back of my throat. hold it there till i need to breath and then blow it out. i do that a few times than blow my nose while in the shower. a friend told me to try it, but she uses her water pick ouch. and that helps with my allergies.
but i have never used a oil i have used a over the counter med called nasel gel it is used to keep your nose moist in the winter. and that works for me.
mnm
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Thursday June 15, 2006, 06:27:33 PM
Like Bama, I too have been doing this haphazardly (I was really diligent for about a month or so... and then got lazy).  I've had a mild cold since begining, but it was during that period of laziness.

One more observation that occurs to me.  When I begin to get very itchy with a new outbreak of the eczema/hives, I notice that having a shower, followed by a light moisturizer helps me itch less and sleep better at night.  I never really thought that it might be related to washing the allergens off my skin, but as the fall and spring have been historically bad for my skin, I wonder whether the itching might be related to seasonal allergies.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Thursday June 15, 2006, 10:26:51 PM
I'm going to be very, very dilligent about this next school year! :nod:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday June 16, 2006, 08:16:43 AM
Hi mnm mom,
Some of these alternative methods of reducing the debris and flora and fauna of the nasal passage are certainly workable and satisfactory for some, but others have a serious aversion to drawing water up the nose until it comes down the back of the throat.  I have done it experimentally, but I don't enjoy it in the slightest degree.  I suggest it as an alternative method for those who, for one reason or another, such as substantial deviation of the septum or other unusual nasal passage restriction, can't do the procedure in the standard way.  But most find it more difficult and tend to do it with less regularity.

I would be interested in finding out more about the nasal gel you mentioned, such as the ingredient list as it appears on the label.  In my testing over the past twenty two years, my focus has been on the whole array of vegetable oils, with the heaviest emphasis on the oils which are reasonably economical or at least not outrageously expensive.  I want this procedure to be accessible to the widest cross-section of the public possible, so it would also be nice to know the cost of the gel in question and how much you get for the price.  ...Once again, I am being called away.  Hope to hear more from you on this.
Anthropositor

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: mnm mom on Friday June 16, 2006, 03:12:01 PM
good morning anthropositor,
sorry i don't know the name right now, but i know it's called nasal gel. I will have to get back to you on that.
mnm mom
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday June 16, 2006, 04:52:25 PM
Hi Bamawing and Itchychick,
It's not at all unusual not to be entirely regular about doing this procedure when you first start doing it.  And for some reason, good habits are harder to reinforce than bad habits, or at least it seems that way.  Doing the rinse-swabbing in the shower helped me a lot, when it came to remembering to do it.  For a few years in the beginning, I did it before I shaved, but I'm generally more rushed then and it's easy to forget.  Associating the practice with the shower and the oil-swabbing (laying down!) immediately after drying off made a big difference for me.

As you notice more and more of the side benefits, (there are several I haven't mentioned) Positive Reinforcement will help you to remember.  The side-benefit of the substantial abatement of symptoms for airborn allergens is a really big help in this regard!  When you prevent viral disease, you just sort of... stay healthy.  Pretty anti-climactic.  But when you have immediate relief from your allergies, that's obvious and and absolutely crystal clear to you, and you can tell for sure that it was what you did for yourself that did it because if you stop doing it, the symptoms return again in a day or so.

Hard to believe I was such an idiot that it took me until the mid-nineties to sort this out.  (And I wouldn't have even then, if some of my people hadn't remarked on their relief from long-standing allergies!) :doh:
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday June 19, 2006, 08:33:55 PM
I do hope guests of the forum, who have not yet become registered, will try this procedure and share your experiences with us.
You don't even have to have skin problems for this procedure to improve the quality of your life.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: mnm mom on Thursday June 22, 2006, 02:34:19 PM
hello anthropositor,
The product i use is called Ayr saline nasal gel. there web site is www.bfascher.com
sorry it took so long to get back to you we were on vacation. we went to the shore, we go fathers' day weekend every year for a week.
we had great weather too.
mnm
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday June 22, 2006, 04:05:22 PM
Hi mnm mom,
I looked over the nasal drops and the nasal gel, which comes in 1/2 oz tubes (price not listed).  My guess is it will be costing somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 a pound.  Leaving cost aside, and the saline content (which is not as high as some products I have seen), I still have some concerns.  I'll select one to talk about here.  Both the gel and the drops are water-soluble.  The initial effect is moisturizing.  This is good.  But, unless you apply them frequently during the course of the day, they will ultimately evaporate off their water content and, judging from other similar products I have tested, cause a serious problem.  After the water content is gone, the remainder becomes rather firmly attached to your nasal hairs, with many airborn particles accreting into a sort of concrete which is difficult to remove without some of those hairs being RIPPED OUT BY THE ROOTS, leaving a crater of immense size from the point of view of the invading viruses. 

When one has engaged in my procedure, as outlined, both moisture and oil have had their efficacious effect, and none of these filtering hairs will require such traumatic removal.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday June 24, 2006, 07:39:44 PM
...I was WRONG in my guesstimate of the price of the above-mentioned nasal gel.  Turns out to be $114.88 per pound, plus tax, in 1/2 oz tubes.  So my guesstimate was a bit more than twenty percent under the actual cost!  But the packages are really pretty.  But all-in-all, still a much better deal than some Jordanian MUD I priced a short while back (with shipping, about $70 per kilo), since all the mud people did (presumably) was screen the mud for lumps, bring it to a boil, and plop a kilo into a jar.  The nasal gel, on the other hand, has at least ten entirely un-necessary ingredients.  Quite a bonus! :crazy:
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday June 25, 2006, 01:36:42 PM
Hi Guys,
I'll be gone a few weeks.  Time for some concentrated work.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday July 07, 2006, 01:06:37 AM
Found another library in Nebraska so I'm back on for a few minutes before I head back home.  I just thought I'd check the thread for any questions or comments.  Any new folks been trying the procedure?
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday July 19, 2006, 07:01:13 PM
Has anyone here used Neem oil for anything?
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday August 04, 2006, 06:13:03 PM
The risk of colds and flu is very low right now in my part of the world (southern USA).  Hay fever is reducing to a low ebb as well.  But the household allergen season is always going, more or less.  The biggest culprits seem to be pet fur, dander and saliva; airborne dust, particularly after vacuuming, and powdered cleansers, detergents and talcs.  A previous allergy sufferer just told me that she no longer feels she needs her air-ionizer anymore.  She spent about $350 for this piece of equipment, four or five years ago.  There is no question that the ionizer is high priced, but now that she has it, there is no good reason to stop using it, or to sell it for a dime on the dollar at a yard sale.  Ionizers DO electrostatically remove a considerable amount of microscopic particulates from the air.  I don't know if I would reccomend an ionizer to someone without special needs, because of the high price.  But certainly, if you have one already, keep it in operation even if the oil swabbing eliminates the obvious need for it.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday August 07, 2006, 09:22:32 PM
Going back to outdoor airborne allergens, I wonder how much of the problem can be traced back to human interference.  I know that with some species of trees, landscape engineers select gender in their plantings, particularly in urban environments, to reduce the inconvenient dropping of seed pods on sidewalks and so on.  The male trees they plant don't drop those pesky pods, and no one is complaining about stepping on the tons of extra pollen these trees generate instead of the pods.  There was a time when doctors would advise patients with serious respiratory difficulties to move to Arizona for the air.  The population grew explosively and apparently they brought a lot of non-native vegetation with them.  Arizona's no longer known for its pristine air.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday August 18, 2006, 05:02:06 AM
August is a very slow month for viral transmission, but some people are sill having some allergic reactions to airborn allergens.  So Hay Fever sufferers, the procedure will still do you a lot of good.  I renew my encouragement to share your experiences with the rest of us.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Polkadot on Friday August 18, 2006, 12:45:48 PM
This is something that I would like to try, but I occasionally have problems with acne. It seems like the oil would cause break-outs. I could give it a try and see what happens. Why do you not recommend vaseline? 
 thank you, baby dot.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday August 18, 2006, 03:16:41 PM
Hello Baby Dot,
You bring up two important questions.  With regard to petroleum jelliy (like Vaseline), "baby oils," and other mineral oils, I have answered this question in several of my other posts (which can be found by going to my profile).  I will sum it up again.  Petroleum Jelly, baby oils and mineral oils are by-products of the production of gasoline.  (This does not, in itself, make them bad).  When I first designed this procedure, I considered them, but for a variety of subtle reasons, rejected them in favor of vegetable oils, of which there is a considerable array.  Although other people have done this procedure with petroleum jellies and oils, none have come up with a compelling reason for the substitution, and the ones that I have known have all changed over to the vegetable oils.  If you wish to use Vaseline, I doubt that you pose yourself much risk in doing so.  But I have not subjected the petroleum products to the years of testing and use that I have applied to the whole family of vegetable oils.  I have not tested animal fats either, so if you should decide to try lard or butter, let me know how it works out for you.  I am not suggesting you try either lard or butter.

If your occasional problems with acne ever occur in the upper lip area below the nose, then you should take an extra minute after doing the procedure to cleanse that area of any surplus oil until no more comes down from the nasal passages.  Use the same acne and cleansing products that you are comfortable using on the rest of your face.

If you are frequently troubled with pimples up inside the nasal passages, you should discuss your situation with your physician before proceding.  Pimples are very rare up inside the nasal passage, but they can occur.  If you are not prone to them, you should not avoid this healthful procedure on the remote chance that you might get a pimple up inside the nose.  Thank you for your interest.  Please let us know how it works out for you.  To your health.
Anthropositor

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Polkadot on Friday August 18, 2006, 03:52:15 PM
 Hi anthropositor,
 There's a good chance that I might have a difficult time explaining to someone why I'm sticking butter up my nose!!!  ;D
I will give the oil a try and let you know how it works out. I do occasionally break out there right on the inside, but I think if I'm careful I shouldn't have a problem. I'll let you know. Thank you, baby dot.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Alohamora on Saturday August 19, 2006, 05:42:13 PM
Baby dot,

I'd suggest trying coconut oil before any other vegetable oils, as it is a little less likely to clog your pores and cause a breakout.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Polkadot on Sunday August 20, 2006, 01:47:10 PM
 Hi anthropositor,
 Well.....that didn't go so well. Alohamora, just now reading your post.....oops, too late. I have a few very small bumps right on the inside. I was afraid that might happen. My skin is just so sensitive. I'll wait for this to heal and then maybe try the coconut oil. I'll let you know how that goes. Thank you,
  baby dot
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday August 21, 2006, 02:26:28 PM
OK Hay Fever people in North America.  It is now mid-August, time to regularly do the procedure once a day.  Ragweed, one of the really miserable allergenic plants affecting  a very large number of people is commencing the release of  pollen.  If you see a person suffering with hay fever, try for twice a day.  If you see several people suffering, go for three times or more.  Take the pre-emptive action BEFORE the symptoms begin. 

If anyone happens to wander over to the fledgling Hay Fever Forum, you would do them service if you let them know.  Got to budget my time until my cat is out of danger.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday August 25, 2006, 04:51:23 AM
Hi anthropositor,
 Well.....that didn't go so well.
Hi Polkadot,
What didn't go so well?  What did you do?  What didn't work out?  Why?
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Polkadot on Friday August 25, 2006, 12:22:25 PM
 Hi anthropositor,
 I used vegetable oil but it made me break out - not too bad, just a couple of small bumps right on the inside part of my nose. It's kind of difficult to explain the location - not deep inside, I can see the bumps. I wiped off the excess oil in that area, but it still happened. They were just real tiny pimples, and have already just about healed now. Alohamora recommended coconut oil as it's less likely to clog pores. Next time, maybe I should try this or maybe even the vaseline.
 Thank you,
   polkadot

ps - you ask many questions...I like that.
   "Why?" is always my favorite question to ask of others.
And this one, "What did you do?" for some reason, I get asked that question from others an awful lot!!!  :)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday August 25, 2006, 03:46:11 PM
Hi Polkadot,
I agree with Aloha.  Coconut oil is just a superb oil for this purpose.  What variety of vegetable oil did you use?  Did the cleansing portion with water only on the swabs go well for you?  Vaseline sucks but 1 or 2% of those who do the procedure use it.  Better to use Vaseline than not to do the procedure.

Wait a full two weeks after your nose is fully healed to do the full procedure again, but continue the gentle swabbing with the fresh-water soaked swabs in the meantime.  I expect your troubles will completely disappear with the coconut oil because you can put a little chunk in while it's in its refrigerated solid form and it wil very quickly liquify and run right back the nasal passage without any further swabbing at all.  (You are doing this part lying on the bed, right?)
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Polkadot on Friday August 25, 2006, 05:01:34 PM
 Hi Anthropositor,
 I used wesson vegetable/canola oil. I didn't think to keep doing it with just water only. I really don't like the way it feels, it's too weird. Maybe I'll get used to it. But, why do it with water only? Doesn't seem like that would do too much. What does anthropositor mean? I laid down on the floor because I sit on the floor a lot. That and I didn't want to get any oil on the bed. I already get flakes there. (psoriasis). I don't think I could handle flakes and vegetable oil, that's all too much. I'll wait awhile and try it again with the coconut oil. Where do I get that? I live in a small town.
 Thank you,
   polkadot
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday August 25, 2006, 06:35:06 PM
Hi Polkadot,
Rapeseed (canola) oil is one of my least favorite oils.  It has been genetically manipulated, and therefore doesn't appeal too much to me.  But my objection is not strenuous.  I am not a fanatic about GM foods.  We eat them all the time without realizing it. 

I am pretty vigorous about the huge international companies that think it is a good idea to produce genetically modified seed designed to produce only a single crop with seeds that will not germinate for a second crop so that the international conglomerate can make more money from third-world farmers who must continue to buy seed from said scoundrels. :evil: 

I put them in the same class as the international baby formula companies which for many years have supplied doctors with cases of baby formula to give to new mothers for their infants -- just enough so that the mother will dry up and be a captive customer for formula which at normal price will break the budget of her impoverished family.  The desperate mother now resorts to attempting to stretch the formula by adding flour, starving her child slowly.   Grrrrrr!  Have any of these rapacious whit-collar criminals seen the inside of a jail cell for these genocidal policies?  Not to my knowledge.

Most anthropologists are pretty happy with the perspective that they should go study primitive societies who have not yet discovered the benefits of modern civilization.  Chauvinistic notions pervade the field.  I'm not going to extend my remarks further.  I examine modern societies with a view to identifying our most serious problems before they lead to the ultimate end of our existence.
Anthropositor

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Polkadot on Friday August 25, 2006, 11:20:46 PM
 Hi Anthropositor,
 I found where I can get the coconut oil, but I'll wait a few weeks before trying this again. I think the coconut oil will work much better. I'll let you know how it goes.
   polkadot
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Saturday August 26, 2006, 01:15:25 AM
Anthro, have you seen the documentary "The Corporation"?  I'm sure you have, but if not, you should watch it, if for no other reason than to be able to shout at your tv set  "YEAH!!! You're right!!!!!" ;)   (I agree with all the above, BTW). 

Good luck with the coconut oil, dot.

Why is it so important to do the oil bit lying down?  Is it so the oil can trickle back further into the nasal passage?
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday August 26, 2006, 02:25:50 AM
Yes Itchy, EXACTLY!  With a little sniff, the oil gets further up than the swab goes.  It is a very important little bit.

Who is in The Corporation?  Might have seen it before the stroke.  Don't remember it.  Who is in it?
Anthro

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Saturday August 26, 2006, 08:54:09 PM
It's a documentary, and I really can't remember who the narrator is, but the premise is absolutely fascinating... They begin by giving the clinical definition of a psychopath, with point by point characteristics, and then proceed to demonstrate how coroporations display *all* the characteristics of a psychopath.  They interview the CEO of Shell Petroleum, among others, and one man who was particularly facsinating runs the worlds largest carpet manufactuing company.  He describes how he came to the painful realization that his company was playing a significant role in destroying the earth, and undertook massive restructuring/capital investment to minimize his company's environmental impact.  They also interviewed a woman in India who is a "seed activist", which is what made me think of this in your earlier post.

It was recently serialized here by one of our publlic broadcasters.  Definately worth watching.

http://www.thecorporation.com/
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday August 27, 2006, 07:22:31 AM
I have read the work of several of the people involved with this production, so it comes as a surprise to me that I have not seen The Corporation.  That will be rectified in the coming week.  Thank you Itchy.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday August 29, 2006, 05:28:07 PM
I found The Corporation compelling and persuasive.  Intensely thought provoking.  Those who haven't seen it should put it high on their list of things to do.  Get the whole family together to watch and discuss.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Wednesday August 30, 2006, 12:59:03 AM
Definately.  We took our students on a whole school field trip to see it when it was in the theatres.  We talked about it for days afterwards.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Wednesday August 30, 2006, 06:39:11 AM
Anthro I'm going to start carrying out this procedure every day now, as the nursery term is about to start and traditionally the little ones are ill from about September through March so... off I go!!

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday September 02, 2006, 06:59:32 AM
I found some really great cotton swabs while I was working on Felice's eye.  Conical point on one end, flattened oval spade on the other.  Tried them for the prevention procedure with cold coconut oil on the flat spade end.  Great.  Not that there is anything wrong with regular cotton swabs... Wooley, I predict you will have a very healthy year.  Remember to lay down for the second part.  Lately, I have been paying more attention to the turbinates, but the procedure is a tad more challenging and takes a minute longer.  Best to keep it simple.  I'm not even going to describe the alternative method.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday September 05, 2006, 09:26:15 PM
Okay, a bit more on simplification.  Even in the 1980's I realized I needed to choose between what would work best under optimum conditions for the most affluent members of the population, or what would work best for the greatest number of people, regardless of poverty or physical circumstances.  I was strongly counseled to go in another direction by one of the few Republican members of my inner circle.  He thought I should mix in some ingredients with the oil, whose only purpose was to give the impression that the oil was œmedicated so that people would be more inclined to do the procedure (and pay a high price for it).  He also thought that the swabs needed to be of special design for the same reason.

Now, as it happens, I have recently found  a  swab that does have some small advantage over the conventional swabs.  I even use these swabs now.  But I have not lost sight of the fact that these swabs cost about eight or ten times the cost of  the most economical cotton swabs.

(Suddenly Anthropositor peers at the ominous horizon where three large rants have begun to merge into a mega-tirade hurricane.  He can now sense these things long before anyone else knows they are about to happen.  He tremblingly takes out his last vial of concentrated Elixir of Shrinking Violet and pours the entire contents  into his right ear.  Now he curls up in the sand and begins to purr. 

Ichabod, having seen this before, tucks a pillow under Anthropositor's head and remains vigilant.  The elixir does not always work perfectly.  But for now, Anthropositor is comatose, dreaming of the ophthalmological procedure he will soon perform on Felice's right eyeball.  Purr, purr, purr¦.)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Wednesday September 06, 2006, 05:20:30 AM
 :roll: :roll:  You're a funny pussycat, Anthro ;D
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Wednesday September 06, 2006, 08:43:59 AM
I've been following your procedure for 2 days now Anthro, because my daughter has been back at nursery for 2 days, and you know what large groups of children are like for spreading air borne viruses.

Day 1 I used olive oil. I can't help myself though, olive oil just makes me want to eat pasta.   :drool: So yesterday I went to a health food shop and got hold of some coconut oil, which I am now intending to use for this.

Anthropositor, I do have a couple of questions though:

How long should you lay down for after swabbing with the oil?
If my daughter catches a cold at nursery, should I then do the procedure more than once during the day to protect myself from catching it from her first thing in the morning  for example?
What if you go swimming? I always swim breaststroke so I'm assuming with the nature of swimming it is worth applying more oil afterwards?


Thanks!
 :hugs:

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday September 06, 2006, 09:58:13 PM
Hi Wooley,
How long to lay down?  30 seconds with a nice sniff at the end should do it.  With little children in the household, particularly if they are congregating with their fellow disease vectors on a regular basis, two or three times a day would be good.  Doing it in the morning before you go out or kiss your daughter Good Morning is a great time to do it.  use the same precautions even if your daughter is asymptomatic.  Definitely do it after swimming.  Chlorinated water is harsh on the nasal passages.  Matter of fact, do it right before your swim as well.  To your health dear.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Thursday September 07, 2006, 07:23:53 AM
Thanks Anthro

I went against my better judgement and told my husband about this last night. He is typically sceptical so I'm even more keen to carry on with it now and prove him wrong, lol.

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Thursday September 07, 2006, 03:21:12 PM
 :roll: Wooley!  Sounds like my husband...  I told him HE should do it, and he said "why?  I only get one or two colds a year."  To which I replied, well yes, and the one or two a year that I get, I invariably catch from YOU!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday September 08, 2006, 06:06:06 PM
My friends,
I know family members who do this procedure clandestinely because others laugh at them for doing it.  Much healthier to do what you girls are doing.  Accept a little skepticism or ribbing and go on doing what you are doing.  And when he gets his next cold or bout of flu, don't be saying œI told you so.   

I think it is much more diplomatic just to  leave your swabs and vegetable oil in prominent view, very close to him while he is suffering.  Then, maybe after you get him a nice steaming cup of tea,  You just flop on the bed, do the procedure for yourself, then jump right up and enthusiastically go about your HEALTHY, maybe even exuberant day.  And no laughing when he decides to use the oil and the swabs on his own.  Just keep an eye on him in case he forgot to read the instructions.   :lol: :bounce:
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday September 14, 2006, 08:46:34 PM
Often, when I talk to people about the respiratory system, I refer to the mouth and nose (and the eyes as well) as the œintake manifold.  I think it is a particularly apt phrase because of the complex interplay of the separate functions and the precision of co-ordination required between breathing, eating,  drinking, blinking,  sneezing, yawning, and coughing.  But my main operational premise was that the nasal membrane was clearly the most important route of entry.  Ten times more important than all the others combined.

So the focus of the preventive procedure against respiratory viral disease posted in this thread has always been the better protection of the interior membranes of the nasal passages.  But let us not lose sight of the fact that even though the prevention works just fine, and if we have otherwise sound immune-systems, seems to be entirely sufficient to keep us free of respiratory disease, it still pays us to wonder about other possible routes of viral entry and what factors might impinge on our normal defenses in these other areas.  It seems to me that there are three areas of interest: breaks in the exterior skin and membranes of the lungs I have considered at some length over the past few decades.  But I have given almost no thought to the potential for the involvement of an impaired intestinal tract.

This is one of the reasons why I have begun taking more interest in such things as naturally fermented fruit juices with their full complement of yeasts, other cultured foods like yogurt and kefir and natural cheeses, and Kambucha, which I am just beginning to experiment with.  Kambucha is the focus of a different thread here, but so far, the facts seem to be pretty sparse.  What is of greatest interest to me is that Kambucha seems to involve quite a complex of different organisms in an apparently balanced and evolving micro-biological ecosystem.

I also chose the Kambucha-kefir thread to put some of the updates about my injured cat Felice.  There is room for debate about some of my decisions and methods, so I thought I would use that obscure thread and not be too comprehensive or descriptive of the procedures employed in Felice's care.  But so far, no one has flamed me, so I might have been overly cautious.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday September 22, 2006, 09:28:09 PM
If anyone on this thread happens to ferment or drink Kombucha tea, I invite you to come on over to the Kombucha thread and let us know of your experiences with it.  Same with home-made wine.  Or, for that matter, who makes their own yogurt or Kefir?  That is so easy, someone other than me must be doing it.

I wish there were some way of getting a clear idea of what proportion of people are using the preventive procedure to prevent infection by viruses primarily and what proportion are most interested in allergy abatement.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday October 02, 2006, 04:40:26 PM
I am told that there are on the order of ten trillion human cells in the body, and closer to one hundred trillion non-human organisms on us and within us as well.  If mitochondria were counted as well, that number would be a lot higher.  And yet we have been conditioned to kill germs totally indiscriminatingly over every inch of the body that we can reach.  The single word which sells dishwashing detergent or bar-soap or hand-cleaner more than any other is "antibacterial."

We have become phobic about germs in large part because of very effective marketing ploys by the advertising industry.  Little thought is given to the notion that keeping varieties of benign or helpful bacteria on our surfaces may be a better way of keeping pathogenic organisms at bay than the indiscriminate slaughter of the good and bad alike.

The antibacterial chemicals we employ may have as much to do with our health problems as the improper use of antihistamines, antibiotics and steroids, also widespread because of "marketing."  This toxic soup of substances does not stay on us or in us.  It enters our water supply and environment in general.  We had better stop believing the unfounded claims of marketers and manufacturers just because they are made using expert persuasive techniques.

Although it is now more and more clear how many different ways we have fouled our world, short-term profit still trumps reason.  We are so used to being cheated and lied to, we don't give it a thought.  What a poisonous legacy we leave for future humankind.  Sometimes there are few simple answers, but when there are, and when they work, we should use them.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday October 11, 2006, 07:54:05 PM
The prevention technique outlined at the beginning of this thread has no potential for damage to the environment, by comparison to antihistamines, antibiotics, steroids and antibacterial additives to our cleansing products.  And you will not become resistant to the benefits even after decades of regular use.  To your health.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Wednesday October 11, 2006, 10:11:48 PM
I wanted to say that I've been doing this since school started, and I've thus far remained cold-free.

This weeek has been difficult, since I'm subbing for a first-period class and am therefore getting up early. That and hubby's gone, so my whole schedule is blown to <bleep>. But I will persevere!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: smokey on Wednesday October 11, 2006, 10:37:13 PM
totally agree with you anthro, we kill too many bugs in our pursuit to be bacteria free, how on earth did the human race survive let alone evolve before antibacterial products?

bugs can be good they can build immunity, thats why you should let your kids play in the mud! not like some people i know that god forbid thier kids should get a speck of dirt on them.

although in certain circumstances killing the little blighters(i mean bugs not kids) can be a good thing.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Thursday October 12, 2006, 01:49:40 AM
Well, unfortunately, I am nursing a very minor cold...  started with a very slight sore throat, and has now progressed to sneezing and nasal/sinus congestion (but not too severe).  I must admit I've had one or two days when I didn't have enough time in the morning and I skipped my swabbing :-[
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday October 12, 2006, 02:48:11 PM
Hi Itchy,
If you have no elevation in temperature, in this season it is more likely that you are responding to an airborne allergen.  I would swab three times a day for a week or so.  Of course, if your children have come home with the sniffles and are not generally bothered by pollen, dust, or other allergens, particularly if you have an elevation in temperature of half a degree F or so, it could be a rhinovirus.  Just in case, chew on a lemon or lime when you think of it, don't rinse your mouth for ten or fifteen minutes afterwards, and swab two or three times a day for a few days.  How many substances are you allergic to that you know of?
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Friday October 13, 2006, 01:58:34 AM
Hi Anthro,

I have not had an elevated temperature (at least, not high enough to take note of), and I suspect that it is some type of virus as my little one has also been complaining of a sore throat, and there is that "phlegmy" feeling (sorry if that's too graphic).  Is there often an increase in mucosal secretions associated with airborne allergies?

As to what I'm allergic to, I've never been tested for airborne allergens, and there are no food allergies that have shown up on skin tests.  I do think, though, that I react to something environmental, as my skin seems to get itchier at the change of seasons.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday October 13, 2006, 04:14:11 AM
I think, Itchy, that the most likely thing in this season is probably an airborne mold or fungus.  They can frequently hit two or three people in a household at the same time.  Along with the standard procedure, you can finish up with a few drops of the oil in the mouth before going out into the world.  This will coat the throat for an hour or so, providing some additional barrier.  This element is not of great importance to most people, so it is not included in the standard instructions at the beginning of this thread.  People in general are a bit put off by the texture of the oil in their mouths.  It is a bit unfamiliar and makes you feel like you need to brush your teeth, but that is an illusion. 

It does have some relevance to a dental procedure I'm working on but that is not proven sufficiently to go into at this point anyway.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday October 19, 2006, 07:09:56 PM
Hi again Itchy,
As to the itchiness of your skin going through some changes with the seasons, I think this is less likely to be due to allergic responses to airborne allergens than to changes in humidity.  To test this idea, you might try wiping the affected area with a damp cloth and immediately applying a thin coat of coconut oil before the surface moisture has evaporated completely away.  My bet is that the itchiness will be substantially reduced.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Thursday October 19, 2006, 10:21:46 PM
I had considered this anthro, and have done just that, my first efforts to this regard having begun last spring. I feel wonderful while in the shower or bath, but soon after getting out, applying coconut oil while my skin is damp, the itchies return with a vengance.  The intense, "reactive" itching (which results in tiny hives after I scrach) seems to be unrelated to whether my skin is moist or not.  Having said that, drier skin worsens the sensation of discomfort once the "rash" has taken hold.

It's the nature of the itch that makes me suspect a reaction.  It is very unlike the itch caused by the dishydrotic eczema which I get on my palms and soles of feet.  It comes on abruptly and fiercly, and can last anywhere from a few hours to a few days.  The longer it lasts, the more damage I do by scratching, which seems to precipitate the hives, which I subsequently scratch off.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Friday October 20, 2006, 02:53:02 AM
Ugh, Itchy, it sounds horrable! :hugs:

I've been swabbing my schnoz and I like it. I just feel cleaner... and if I forget for a day, I feel naked. NO problems so far... I really hope your nasal ickies go away with a swiftness!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday October 20, 2006, 08:25:17 PM
Hi Bama,
I think Itchy is talking about the rest of her skin in general.  I wish I had some more answers or ideas but at the moment I don't.  I have some notion how Itchy feels though.  When I was having those several years of trouble with the skin on my hands and arms, there were times when my skin just seemed determined to be illogical.  If there are essential pieces of information missing, and we do not know what they are, the results of our attempts to put things right sometimes don't seem to make much sense.  Very frustrating.

Maybe I am not giving luck the credit it deserves, but I still think that logic and reason play the largest role, in spite of the sometimes paradoxical results that seem to show up.

Remember this.  Luck sometimes shows up in costume.  I recently went to a dentist, a man totally unknown to me.  He looked at a single bite-wing X-ray, pushed for a moment on one tooth and pronounced his verdict that I needed to spend over $2100 on top of the nearly $100 I paid for this brief exam and X-ray.  Seems like bad luck, particularly after being told roughly the same thing by another dentist years ago.

This new dentist also left me twisting in the wind when I needed some pain medication to get through the weekend, effectively leaving me to deal with the pain as best I could.  Do I hold it against him?  Yes I do.  But I did deal with the pain, and in the process, tried some more new methods to perhaps repair the damaged nerve.  Not kill it or remove it with a root-canal.  Just stop the bacterial attack and even try to repair the nerve itself.  As far as I know, no dentist tries this sort of thing. 

As a matter of fact, I told this dentest that I was receptive to any creative ideas he might have that were not mainstream in the dental industry. and that I would sign a waiver if he had any ideas of this sort.  He came back with one single "solution."  He posed it as my only option.  Frankly, there are three solutions which are not experimental.  They are entirely mainstream dentistry.  Why did he not present these alternative options?  One of them would have put perhaps $500 additionally in his pocket, and I would have gotten a much more durable final result. 

The other "bad luck" was that the dentist's office manager gave me only one payment option; half down and half on completion.  My counter-proposal was $500 down and $100 a month.  My credit is blemish-free in spite of the fact that I mostly pay cash for my major purchases. 

Can I get another couple of years or even five or six, out of this permanent bridge before it has to be removed?  I don't know.  A month ago, I was betting against it.  Now the pain is becoming more manageable, as I learn more about nerve-function and the possibility of repair.  I am prepared, once again, to bet on myself rather than this dental merchant.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Alohamora on Saturday October 21, 2006, 05:11:45 PM
Sorry to hear of your dental problem Anthro.

I distrust and dislike dentists even more so than I do doctors. I haven't been to a dentist in about 17 years and I hope I can keep that streak going.

It seems like there could be 3 things going wrong with a painful tooth, infection, inflammation or nerve damage.  Then, there's also the tie in of how our emothions can keep us from healing naturally and, dare I say it, maybe even cause our illnesses in the first place?  I've had some degree of success going after some of my issues with a type of energy therapy, meant to release negative emotions and balance our internal energy systems. 

Many people say the lauric acid in cocnut oil is good for fighting viruses. I don't know. I have come to love the taste of coconut oil on my popcorn. I've given up my prejudices against saturated fats and I now believe cocnut oil is one of the healthiest alternatives for cooking and seasoning. 

B vitamins are supposed to be important for nerve function and B12, in particular for allowing damged nerves to regenerate.
The Methylcobalamin form of B12 is much more bioavailalble than the more common cyanocobalamin and is especially recommended for neuropathies, particularly diabetic neuropathy.  A friend of mine started getting pain from trigeminal neuralgia earlier this year. Her doctor could only offer pharmaceuticals with horrendous potential side effects, so serious that my friend decline to even try them. After I showed her some articles on B12 she started taking B12 methycobalamin and a B complex daily and this combination almost immediately stopped the debilitating facial pains.





Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday October 24, 2006, 06:18:37 PM
Thanks Aloha, particularly for your comment on methylcobalamin.  On rare occasions I take 5mg NADH (the disodium salt of B-nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide, sometimes referred to as Coenzyme 1) This is of course one of the B vitamin family, a cousin of niacin.  But I don't recall using methylcobalamin.  About 25 years ago I  had a B-12 shot which seemed quite effective in reversing the paralyzing effects of Bell's Palsy.  That shot could have been the methyl form.  I don't know.  In any case, I will be keeping my eye out for it in tablet or sublingual form.

In any case, I am currently using a multifaceted approach designed to first kill the offending bacteria while doing as little collateral damage as possible.  Next, I make it exceedingly unpleasant for any new colonists who try to set up shop.  The last step, which I'm still working on, is to regenerate the damaged nerve-sheath as best I can.  At least, for now, I am still chewing my food.  Lose this tooth and the bridge that it is a part of, and I will be biting instead of chewing and gnawing, which as a carnivore, I really like to do.  So far, I have knocked the pain down by 80% or so.  A good sign I think.

As fanatical as I have become with coconut oil, I have not yet put it on my popcorn.  Next time I will use it to replace HALF of the butter.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday November 02, 2006, 03:02:34 AM
Confirmed cases of influenza are now occurring in my state according to the news.  In previous years, I have used Halloween as the date I reccommend people begin to use the procedure because usually the first solid confirmed reports aren't in until two to four weeks after Halloween.  If you haven't started to protect yourselves yet folks, now is the time.  The season is earlier than usual this year.  Do yourselves a favor.  Do it!
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Thursday November 02, 2006, 01:56:38 PM
Interesting that you notice the Halloween date, Anthro.

I asked Mama why all my kids have been so dadgummed wild lately. She replied that it was due to Halloween coming up. Mind you, this was a few weeks ago... I was surprised. Then she added "And after Halloween, they'll all get sick... too much candy. And then they'll get you sick. Then, when you're finally all healthy, it'll be time for the holidays and they'll be wild again. You've got all the teaching in you're going to teach this semester."

Mama taught for years.

While I doubt that too-much-candy tummyaches are contageous, it doesn't come as a surprise that the poor nutrition causes the immune system to lower its defenses.

Also, when I related this to one of my colleges, she laughed and said it was all true, but that the sicknesses were coming early this year.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday November 04, 2006, 04:50:10 PM
Yes Bama,
American children are now breaking records in increases in obesity, with Australian youngsters running a close second.  Not only are more kids fat, they are fatter, and fatter younger.  This is a bit of an enigma to me because, as far as I know, they do not celebrate Halloween in Australia.  They may well have analogous holidays that I don't know about in Australia though.  If so, I don't know what or when they are.  In the US, we have several other holidays with sharply increased candy consumption.  Valentines day and Easter come to mind.

There is such an array of causes of obesity that it is hard to sort out which of them are of greatest importance.  Valentines Day occurs at the tail end of US flu season.  Even without a clear new spike of illness after the holiday, it could easily be extending flu season a few weeks longer.  Thanksgiving too is hard to assess.  It occurs within our flu season.  While less candy is consumed during Thanksgiving, it is very likely our biggest "gorging" holiday, and a great many simple carbohydrates are involved. 

It is also hard to sort such contributers as high amounts of fat.  Adding animal fats and deliberately modified fats in our food supply like hydrogenated oils, the so-called trans-fats, certainly play a big role in both obesity and the vascular diseases.

My interest over on the Kombucha - Kefir thread is to discover the impact that conversion of sugars and fats, by micro-organisms has on health in general.  Both the issues of sugars and fats may be distracting us from other issues.  Most of our food is dead, and has been industrially denatured.  This is done, ostensibly to protect our health but that may not be the result.

Consider "pasteurization."  Certainly, it prevents disease.  But it may be preventing health as well.  I used to be able to buy raw milk.  Now I can't.  Government said no.  Much too dangerous for us to decide for ourselves.  ...Relax Ichabod.  Our so-called fresh orange juice and other fruit juices from the market are pasteurized as well.  Presumably to make them safer.  But I believe the increase in shelf-life is the biggest reason.  ...No Ichabod, a glass of wine will be sufficient.  Don't get your tux in a bunch.  I'm talking about industry at the moment.   ...Yes the pomegranate will be fine.

Anyway, where was I?  Oh yes.  We won't be able to get away from industrially processed foods.  The will be even more prevalent in the future if that is possible.  Dead food.

Everything I am doing and talking about on the kombucha thread has to do with bringing dead food back to life.  Yogurt, kefir, kombucha, hard cider, wine, cheese.  I am starting with dead stuff I get from the market.  Except the yeast, fungi and bacteria I am using, my raw materials are from the industrial food supply.  I am bringing these materials back to life as it were.  What all the benefits are and how important they are remains to be seen.  I am cross threading here, and Ick is breathing down my neck.  ...Yes, I know Ichabod.  No more wine thank you.  A cup of coffee will do.  ...and no little dribbles of shrinking violet.  I AM behaving myself.    ....Mau mau weasel quizling spy...  No, I didn't say anything!  But bring me a slab of that jerky I made yesterday too.

I think I'll finish up.  Yeast.  Yeasts are the only things that I am using that are not coming from the industrial supply.  There are a few reasons for that, which I will take up over on the other thread later.

The jury is still out when it comes to exactly how much health value there is in these re-modifications or unmodifications of our processed foods.  A few more thoughts later on that as well, over in kombucha.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Sunday November 05, 2006, 02:57:47 AM
No raw milk cheeses allowed in the US?  is that state-specific or a federal regulation?  What about importing some of the wonderful raw milk cheeses from Quebec?  I'm sure some of the producers would ship on-line...

What I was really going to add was a commentary on the insidious nature of manufactured fats.  Saturday night is movie night at our house, and as the popcorn was popping, my older son asked for some hot chocolate.  Someone had given us a box of hot chocolate mix, and as I had boiled the kettle for tea, I grabbed a packet and mixed up his hot chocolate.  As I was stirring, I read the ingredients on the packet:  Sugar was first, followed by hydrogenated canola oil.  Why does hot chocolate require hydrogenated canola oil?  (It's a rhetorical question, as I know why it's in there... but still.  How hard can it be to use real chocolate with cocoa butter?  Or even non-hydrogenated vegetable oil if you want to be cheap about it?).  I tossed it and made him some cocoa with REAL milk and one teaspoon of sugar.  And yes, I put butter on the air popped popcorn, or sometimes I pop it in olive oil, but at least I can control the quantity fat!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Tuesday November 07, 2006, 01:29:35 PM
I remember reading an article dissing one of my favorite foods: sashimi. Bama loves her some sashimi. But the magazine said it's bad for you: it hasn't been cooked, so you might can find worms in there!

Interestingly, they did thier darndest but still found no parasites in any of the raw tuna. Take that, freakyinspectors! But that didn't stop them from announcing their bottom line: don't eat too much of this or it'll hurt you.

After years of searching, I finally found non-pasturized apple cider. It's illegal in Georgia, more's the pity. And speaking of apples, My dear departed Grandmeme always said that they were the best when eaten right off the tree... although sometimes you found a worm in there.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday November 07, 2006, 03:14:40 PM
When I was a very young lad, I used to climb a neighbors apple tree for the unripe, green apples.  The large people were all agreed that eating these apples would give me a tummy ache, as would unripe, very sour concord grapes.  I tested that premise on numerous occasions, both with unripe apples and grapes.  Even gorging on both at the same time, I was unable to give myself a tummy ache.  For a while I tried very hard to understand why they would all lie to me like that.  I was still trying to get over the Santa Claus conspiracy.

But these lies that big ones tell to very little ones may have a very valuable purpose.  It familiarizes us with the prospect that we will regularly be lied to by powerful people, and the lies will very often make no sense at all.  And not believing the lies (and saying so) will, more often than not, get us spanked.  And of course, my persistence in eating unripe apples and grapes did cause me frequent pain on the bottom.  It just wasn't the unripe fruits that inflicted it. 

Today the world is much smaller and the pressure of the intractable problems we must deal with is even greater that it was then.  We are told that we must be protected against such things as raw milk, parasites in our sashimi, and the occasional worm in our apples.  If we could just get rid of the worms in the body politic... I'm going to change the subject.  Ichabod approaches.

About raw, unpasteurized cider.  The only way I can get it in my neighborhood is to crush the apples myself.  Here are some label contradictions for you:  Apple Cider, pure and fresh.  This is immediately followed by 100% pasteurized (which means it was cooked at high heat).  So much for fresh.  Then they say "less than 1/10% potassium sorbate added to assure FRESHNESS.  So much for pure.  Caveat Emptor.

I think I will go swab my nose with coconut oil.  I'm going to go stand in line for a few hours to use a voting machine which may or may not accurately register my vote to get rid of some old weasels and replace them with hungrier but less experienced new weasels.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Tuesday November 07, 2006, 04:43:57 PM
Oh Anthro you do make me laugh  :)

But you and Bama do have a good point. I ordered some apples with my groceries, and then my husbands parents cut some off a tree in their garden. They not only looked different (less "uniform") but they tasted so much sweeter.  Same type of apple, totally different result.

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: mnm mom on Tuesday November 07, 2006, 05:00:53 PM
Hello I read that some of you have trouble buying unpasteuized cider. Where I live you can get it with no trouble. It is sold in a number of stores.
I like it when it is just turning and it tickles your nose. If anyone wants to know where I get it just E:mail me.
mnm mom
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Tuesday November 07, 2006, 06:33:00 PM
Ah, yes, it's voting day in the US.  Have fun!

I recall there was a big thing about a bunch of children getting ill with e coli after a birthday party.  Eventually the source was traced to unpasturized apple cider that had become contaminated.  The producer had used ground apples which had come into contact with fecal matter from the wildlife....
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Tuesday November 07, 2006, 08:02:01 PM
Yes, Itchy, that's what happened to make the state of Georiga stop selling unpasurized cider. It really torked me off, because the problem cider was in Pennsylvania or somewhere... dangit, why should I have to give up my favorite treat just because some dumb yankee was too stupid to wash the deer doots off the apples before crushing them?! (I mean, really, you would think.) In Virginia it is illegal to sell any apple that has fallen onto the ground for this reason. Still a bit silly (wash your apples, people. Really.) but better than banning the drink altogehter.

I went to vote during my planning period. I would have voted before work, but I got on a political diatribe (ironic much?). Details in the R&R... I got fed up, frankly, and gave two friends some of thier own putrid medicine. :el: But I'm glad I braved the rain. Even without my "I voted" sticker (I want an "I voted" sticker!!!! >:( ) I felt an odd sense of peace that I officially did all I could do to prevent a really stupid law from being passed in Virginia.

And now I'm hushing, because I have a feeling that Ichabod will probably find me if I don't. But one more thing: I told Anthro's Fameous Cold Prevention Remedy to some of my classmates. Far from thinking I'm an imbicile for taking health directions from the internet, they commended me and said it sounded sensible. They may even start, too.

Anthro, you're attracting disciples.



Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday November 13, 2006, 08:16:19 PM
I'm not concerned with the disciples.  They are doing just fine.  It's the lurkers and the uncommitted that are in danger.  Just remember this everybody.  In the United States alone, about 36,000 people CROAK (DIE) EVERY YEAR.  I'm not talking about a so-called pandemic.  That is just during a normal "season."  In a pandemic, that number can rise to many hundreds of thousands or millions.

DO IT NOW!  KEEP DOING IT!  Even the "normal" varieties of influenza kill quite effectively every day.  And even the "normal" strains can mutate into more virulent strains with no warning.  Complete instructions for protecting yourselves are right at the top of this thread.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Monday November 27, 2006, 04:56:40 PM
Hi guys. As you probably all know by now, I'm just over 15 weeks pregnant. I was following the procedure until about week 6 of pregnancy, when all  the first trimester symptoms kicked in; nausea, exhaustion, and a pretty bad reaction to swabbing of coconut oil up the nasal passages  ;) This isn't one I've seen listed in any of the books, by the way  :lol:

I can only think that the nose undergoes some major changes in early pregnancy, as my sense of smell definitely increased a lot. Almost as soon as the other symptoms kicked in, I found that swabbing with coconut oil started to give me burning and itchy sensations. Here I am 9 weeks later in the middle of my second massive cold of the season.  :evil:

As soon as this cold clears up, I'm trying the procedure again. My nausea and extreme sense of smell have calmed down, so maybe the reaction to coconut oil will have disappeared too. I hope so, as with 2 small children meeting up with numerous other small children, the capacity for catching cold viruses is endless.

 :bighug:

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Monday November 27, 2006, 05:46:17 PM
Sorry to hear you're feeling rotten, Woo! It's not fun being ill while pregnant AND caring for the wee ones.  Hope you have a very speedy recovery. :hugs:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Polkadot on Monday November 27, 2006, 06:19:38 PM
Hope you feel better real soon Wooley!!!   :hugs:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Monday November 27, 2006, 06:47:54 PM
Thanks guys. It doesn't help that the children are unwell too. DS (2)  is easy to cope with but he isn't sleeping well, but DD (4) is really demanding and wanting lots of attention. Wish I could fast forward a few days to be honest!

 :bighug:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday November 28, 2006, 05:10:43 AM
Dear Wooley,
I'm so sorry to hear you are having a lumpy time.  Since you had some adverse reaction to the coconut oil, I wouldn't use it again during your pregnancy.  I would switch to olive oil instead.  If for any reason you have any similar difficulty with that,  I have another thought or two.  Just let me know.  Be well dear, and be sure to get adequate sleep.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: mnm mom on Wednesday November 29, 2006, 03:22:30 PM
I have a Question. Can you use lanolin instead of cooking oil, I have some left from breastfeeding. Also the family has a cold right now, should we wait till the cold is gone or just keep doing it every day?
Thank you,
mnm
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday November 29, 2006, 07:27:33 PM
It certainly does not do any harm to swab the nasal passages with oil during a cold but the effect will not last as long because of the flow of the secretions.  I have not tested lanolin.  I don't expect that there would be a problem if you have not shown any previous allergic response to lanolin, sheep or other animal dander.  If your skin has responded well to the previous use, you could get some relief from the tenderness of the nose from frequent nose blowing by putting some on the tender areas of the outside skin of the nose.  I would reserve the lanolin for that use and use a vegetable oil on the interior of the nasal passages.  If you are taking only a gram or less of Vitamin C, triple or quadruple that and take a good multivitamin-mineral capsule AND a strong B complex tablet as well.

Try to get along without the symptomatic relief products if you can.  Chicken soup couldn't hurt.  Remember, it is flu season.  Influenza is opportunist.  People who are recovering from a rhinovirus (a cold) are prime targets in their already weakened condition for influenza and viral pneumonia.  Hope you and yours feel better soon.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday December 10, 2006, 04:59:25 PM
Things are certainly unpredictable these days.  The flu and cold season seemed to start a few weeks earlier than usual this year.  That gave me some pause for concern that the numbers of victims would be elevated.  That hasn't happened so far.  I had expected another highly active hurricane season this year too because of el Niño.  But clearly, other factors have played a part and we have had an unusually quiet hurricane season.  On the other hand, we have already had some record-breaking cold snaps and snow storms in the US.  Anyone noticed any unusual weather anomalies going on in the southern hemisphere or Europe?

I have been brainstorming in recent years about the potential for future trouble from the North Atlantic portion of the Thermo-Hayline conveyor, not because there was any great likelihood of a near-term crisis, but simply because, in view of the increased unpredictability of events, we need to keep our eyes open.  

Global-warming and the green house effect are less speculative.  The effects are in our current events.  It is ironic and paradoxical that both our information-base and the level of uncertainty in events seem to be occurring at the same time.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Saturday December 16, 2006, 05:16:14 PM
I had expected another highly active hurricane season this year too because of el Niño.

Ah! I didn't know we were having an  el Niño year. This expalins the freaky warmth in Virginia right now. I mean, it's 70 degrees. Niiiiiiiiice. But I was hoping for some colder weather, since it doens't feel like the hoiday season... and I miss baking.

It's dry as an engineer's sense of humor on a bad day, and that's why I'm posting... I've stopped having nosebleeds, thanks to this daily oil! Woot!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday December 16, 2006, 06:31:14 PM
How ironic that there is a fellow who won't engage in the procedure because there is a possibility that he will give himself a nosebleed.  I have been unable to convince him otherwise. 

And my two adult sons, otherwise highly intelligent fellows, each with two efficient and lovable little disease vectors of their own in their households... they won't do the procedure unless I win a bet... and then only for the exact number of times that the bet calls for.  It is entirely lost on them that I haven't had a cold or the flu for over twenty-two years.  I think my next project may be to explore ways of opening the tightly clenched mind... without causing undue discomfort.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Sunday December 17, 2006, 09:33:44 AM
Dear Wooley,
I'm so sorry to hear you are having a lumpy time.  Since you had some adverse reaction to the coconut oil, I wouldn't use it again during your pregnancy.  I would switch to olive oil instead.  If for any reason you have any similar difficulty with that,  I have another thought or two.  Just let me know.  Be well dear, and be sure to get adequate sleep.
Anthro

Hi Anthro (and everyone).

Well I'm afraid I went against your advice because a) I bought a massive tub of coconut oil and b) I just love the smell of it... so today, at week 18 of pregnancy and 95% recovered from the sinusitis, I started again...  I am pleased to say that I had no adverse reaction at all so I can be your test case as far as pregnancy goes and say that in the first trimester there may be unusual reactions but it is definitely worth trying different oils! I feel very silly for giving up altogether and having the worst cold of my life during pregnancy.   :doh:

I am also pleased to say that my 2 children are healthy at present and are sleeping really well, so I have had about 6 days worth of really good sleep. This is a record for me in recent years!   ;D

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday December 17, 2006, 07:10:07 PM
 :clap: :bighug: :peck: :bounce: :up: :shakehug: :nod: :yay:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Wednesday December 20, 2006, 10:35:58 PM
Woo, that's wonderful!!!! :yay: :zzz: I know how hard it's been to get some good sleep.

Anthro, I outlined your technique to my dear mama. I'm betting she'll try it.

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday December 21, 2006, 02:38:07 AM
So good to hear Bama!  The elders are at greater risk.  Be sure to check with her now and then to see if she is having any difficulties at all.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Thursday December 21, 2006, 02:41:16 AM
I've started doing this again, and also printed it out for my family.  The son seems enthusiastic, the DH says he'll see how it works for me.  The daughter hasnt seen it yet.  ;D

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday December 21, 2006, 02:59:35 AM
Quite a responsibility for you TF.  You realize, if you should forget to do it and a viral infection results, DH will never, never do it.  The other thing that keeps me going so regularly is that I like how my nose feels so much better when I do it, if I get in a rush and skip it on occasion, I am so uncomfortable after a few hours I wind up buying more Q-tips and oil rather than do without.  I recent years I have just put an extra supply in the glove compartments of the truck and the cars.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: Wooley on Thursday December 21, 2006, 07:30:17 AM
I have also emailed a link to a friend who also has a knee-high germspreader and keeps getting colds via nursery etc. She said it sounded interesting. I am seeing her today so will ask if she is going to give it a go.

Incidentally the pot of coconut oil I bought is one of my best ever purchases from a health food shop - it is really helping the dry, cracked skin on my hands too. Thanks for the recommendation, Anthro.

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Thursday December 21, 2006, 02:11:40 PM
I recent years I have just put an extra supply in the glove compartments of the truck and the cars.


That's a great idea, Anthro! I also get a "naked" feeling if I forget. Once I raided the school's kitchen and found some corn oil, but that won't help if I'm not at school. Where can you find oil bottle small enough to fit in a glove comapartment, though?
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Thursday December 21, 2006, 04:34:02 PM
Bama, why don't you just pour a little oil in a Tupperware or other plastic sort of container that seals well?

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday December 21, 2006, 06:21:29 PM
I get maple syrup in small single-serving bottles at a restaurant where I occasionally have a large steak & eggs breakfast.  Once washed and refilled with oil, they have a tight screw-on cap, and the opening is a nice size to admit a cotton swab.  Any such small, tightly closeable glass or plastic bottle will do.  It would never occur to me to purchase one for this purpose.  Sort of like using a sit-down lawn mower to mow a quarter-acre lawn and then going to the health-club to walk on the treadmill.  Doesn't make sense.   The swabs I keep in clean a zip-lock bag.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Friday December 22, 2006, 01:32:11 PM
I actually went to Michael's Arts and Crafts store to find a small oil bottle... I came up blank. All the bottles they had were way too big. And unfortunately, my glove compartment is teeny... tupperware woudln't fit. But I bet a... oooh. OooooOOOOOooh. I think I have just the thing! *runs downstairs to check*

Yes! I have a small bottle of liquor, like the type they serve on airplanes, that was left over from a wedding. I'll down that bottle tonight and then have the outer bit for oil containment! Rock on. :)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday December 22, 2006, 03:52:14 PM
Pour the bottle into a glass before drinking and it is not necessary to even wash or rinse the bottle.  It is effectively sterile.
All's well that ends well.

Now we turn to the problem of getting the oil from a big bottle into the little bottle without spilling it all over the counter.
Hold the little bottle over the sink.  Pour carefully.  ...or you could go to Kitchen Boutique and buy a fancy little funnel.  Swab it with a little alcohol or hydrogen peroxide before use.  ...or you could take a straw from a restaurant fresh from it's wrapper, immerse it deeply into the oil in the big bottle, place your finger over the other end.  Now insert the straw into the small bottle.  Remove finger from other end.  Repeat as required.
Anthropositor ;D
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: 1 on Tuesday December 26, 2006, 11:37:13 AM
Wow Anthro,Glad Wooley pointed me to this thread.I will be starting your routine tomorrow
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday December 26, 2006, 04:35:08 PM
I would have mentioned it when I read of your KFC episode, but I thought you had already read the thread.  Also, it wasn't entirely clear that you did not have a bit of food poisoning.  It is extra rewarding to teach our military personnel for several reasons.  They tend to do it with regularity.  They tend to teach the other guys in their unit as soon as they see how well it works.  ...and they tend to do it correctly and with precision.  Semper Fi.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday January 07, 2007, 06:53:37 AM
Those of you who are coming on this thread for the very first time, please go straight to the first post.  This has so far been a rather quiet influenza season.  As it happens, I am distantly acquainted with one person who got the flu this year.  An elderly gentleman.  Last I heard, he was still in ICU but is still alive.

The fact that this season has not started off with a bang should not make us complacent.  It is still reasonable to anticipate about thirty five thousand deaths in the US from complications of the flu before the season is over.  That is presuming no virulent mutations appear.  It IS worth a few minutes a day to protect yourself.  It IS worthwhile to teach others how to do it or print out and share the instructions on bulletin boards or on your blog or website.

I have wanted to say some things about the potential for the fanatical dissemination of aerosol disease cultures.  I have concluded that it is not a good idea to talk in any detail about this.

But you should clearly understand that at some point in the future there will be other new attempts to do this sort of thing.  The use of the procedure outlined at the top of this thread will provide considerable protection against many of the disease agents which might be employed by insane fanatics.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday January 08, 2007, 10:14:43 PM

"The next pandemic, if it occurs, will be very devastating... we are very concerned of the likelihood of a pandemic."
Dr Chan
New chief of the World Health Organization (referring to the Avian Flu).

May she be up to the job.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: country on Monday January 08, 2007, 10:40:39 PM
Those of you who are coming on this thread for the very first time, please go straight to the first post.  This has so far been a rather quiet influenza season.  As it happens, I am distantly acquainted with one person who got the flu this year.  An elderly gentleman.  Last I heard, he was still in ICU but is still alive.

The fact that this season has not started off with a bang should not make us complacent.  It is still reasonable to anticipate about thirty five thousand deaths in the US from complications of the flu before the season is over.  That is presuming no virulent mutations appear.  It IS worth a few minutes a day to protect yourself.  It IS worthwhile to teach others how to do it or print out and share the instructions on bulletin boards or on your blog or website.

I have wanted to say some things about the potential for the fanatical dissemination of aerosol disease cultures.  I have concluded that it is not a good idea to talk in any detail about this.

But you should clearly understand that at some point in the future there will be other new attempts to do this sort of thing.  The use of the procedure outlined at the top of this thread will provide considerable protection against many of the disease agents which might be employed by insane fanatics.

  I work in a nursing home where we did have the flu going around , but it was a mild one .
I think the  flu season is because its cold and we all tend to stay more indoors and come in closer contact with people .
   This winter has been mild , so most of us have been outside more and not stuck indoors .
 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 08:23:22 AM
Possibly.  I think we have been lucky so far this year.  Perhaps it will hold.  If we have three or four temperate winters and that trend continues your theory will gain strength.  These old folks spend a lot more time gallivanting around outside this year?   Anticipating the best possible outcomes is not a good idea in epidemiology any more than it is in international conflicts.  And the old folks you work with have a lot to lose if you are wrong.  I urge you to continue to protect yourself by using the procedure.  Take some extra Vitamin C as well.

Consider these other examples of unwarranted optimism turning out badly.  Since we were first informed that we won the war, we have spent more than four hundred billion dollars on an ever more tenuous victory. 

Another example of bureaucratic complacency is the Katrina disaster.  The Administration was just hopeful that we would be lucky.  We weren't.  And the disaster was worsened by wishful thinking.

Even five years ago there were still many wishful thinkers about global warming.  Anachronistic perspectives are still in vogue in our seats of power in spite of the elections.  Not much difference between Frick and Frack.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: LIGA girl on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 10:57:13 AM
Frick and Frack.

who are they?
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: country on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 12:23:38 PM
  The people i work with and most of the residents got sick . I was one of the lucky ones who didnt .
 I do all i can to protect myself from the flu / colds . The new zinc cough drops , even thou they are 3 times as much as the normal cough drop , claims to cut the length of cold symtoms .
   I have used them the last 2 colds i had and they did seem to help . My cold didnt go into my chest .
  I seem to remember last year we didnt get hit that bad with the flu either .
 
 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 02:01:42 PM
Frick and Frack.

who are they?

"Frick and Frack" are two generic names that can apply to anyone. :) All Anthro's saying is that times change but opinions don't.

It's similar to the saying "every Tom, Dick and Harry" or "your average Joe." :)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 03:22:50 PM
They are metaphorical nearly identical twins (like the Repemocrats and Depublicans).  These names have been slightly modified to protect the guilty.  I wh wh wh would prefer to protect the innocent but there do not appear to be any.  Call them collectively the party of courtesans.  They all take far too much money to be called cheap wh wh wh whatever.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 04:15:47 PM
Country, there are some odd things in your post.

  The people i work with and most of the residents got sick . I was one of the lucky ones who didn't .
 I do all i can to protect myself from the flu / colds . The new zinc cough drops , even thou they are 3 times as much as the normal cough drop , claims to cut the length of cold symptoms .
   I have used them the last 2 colds i had and they did seem to help . My cold didn't go into my chest .
  I seem to remember last year we didn't get hit that bad with the flu either .

It would appear from what you say that your zinc nostrums did not PREVENT your last colds but simply (perhaps) made them less severe for you.  And I doubt you were less contagious during these colds.  You posed the same danger to those around you.

In view of the fact that my mother died shortly after being hugged by a contagious friend, of complications of influenza, and since you work directly with old and vulnerable people, if you are not engaging in the procedure that is outlined at the top of this thread, your protections are largely an illusion.  I do hope there are no tragic results. 

I'll just ask you, do you regularly engage in this procedure?  If not, why not?  It is certainly far easier and not disgusting like sucking on a zinc lozenge.  I tried that once.  My sense of taste was adversely affected for many hours, in spite of the fact that I spat it out in less than a minute.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: LIGA girl on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 06:06:19 PM
Anthro & Bama

thanks for your explanations ...

LG
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: country on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 06:07:55 PM
 Im new to this place , so there is alot to read on the board ! lol
 I will go back and read the whole thread when i have time .
 I was just replying to the last few posts .
 Im all for  prevention .

  I always found it odd that we have it  posted in our building during flu / cold season that visotors should stay away if they are ill or show any of the cold / flu symtoms .
   Yet as employes we are expexted to be at work regardless what symptoms we have due to their strict calling in policy .
  

  This has been the same problem in both of my jobs. ( homecare and nursing home)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday January 09, 2007, 06:41:49 PM
With such inconsistancy, your bosses may have failed to find their true calling.  Politics.  Please make the time to read the top of this thread soon.  It's really easy.  Even the old people can do it in many cases.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday January 12, 2007, 02:09:33 AM
I just made a blog today.  No bells and whistles yet, but for those of you who would like some of the things said here in a more concentrated form and with fewer digressions, feel free to go there... It will be somewhat more focused and less cross-threaded.

http://eurekaideasunlimited.blogspot.com/

Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Alohamora on Friday January 12, 2007, 02:17:58 AM
Cool, I look forward to reading more....

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Friday January 12, 2007, 02:33:02 AM
The link worked for me.

<BLEEP>, that's pink! :o
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday January 12, 2007, 02:46:25 AM
Yes I messed up the original link and was fixing it while Aloha was telling me it didn't work. 
You may recall it took me a few months to learn how to use the smileys.  Duh.  The link works now.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Wednesday January 31, 2007, 12:49:46 AM
Hi anthro, good to see you back... I was begining to get a worried when you hadn't posted for a while.

Question for you:  Today on the radio, there was a woman who was giving travel tips (how to be comfortable on long plane rides, etc), and one of the things she mentioned was that some people put antibacterial gels (you know - the type that are sold as hand sanitizers) in their nostrils.  While I think that that would smell awful and the alcohol would be so drying to the nasal passages so as to be counter-productive, what do you think about using greasy antibacterial ointments such as Polysporin (which is relatively odourless) in the same way?
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday January 31, 2007, 09:09:24 AM
Hi Itchy,
My first, last and only reaction is a strong categorical no to both.  It is overkill to use either antibacterial gels or antibiotic ointments in the nasal passage.  I flew both ways on my trip. 

I used coconut oil for the flight in both directions, swabbing at least an inch up each nasal passage.  So did my wife.  Please folks, use unadulterated vegetable oil only, unless you have a specific, well identified, intractable infection in the nasal membrane which will respond only to these harsher more aggressive methods. 

Otherwise, first swab with clear water, then with fresh vegetable oil as described on the first post of this thread, or on my blog.

I did not hear the radio show so I won't say anything disparaging about the lady.   >:( :-X :spank:

As for you Itchy, good question.  :hugs:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Wednesday January 31, 2007, 04:59:35 PM
I did not hear the radio show so I won't say anything disparaging about the lady.   >:( :-X :spank:



Yes, well, if you had you would be even less impressed ::).

PS... I've been pretty religious about swabbing all winter to date, and absolutely no trace of a cold/flu - even on one or two occasions when I've felt the first tickle of a sore throat, it has never progressed beyond that. :yay:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Sunday February 04, 2007, 05:28:12 PM
I, too, continue to have amazing results. I've been a bit sniffly lately, but that's due to allergies, not a cold. It's almost to the point where I'm tempted to fake a cold in order to take a day off! :spank:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday February 10, 2007, 05:53:21 AM
Do you have any idea Bama what substance is stirring up the allergic reaction?
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Saturday February 10, 2007, 09:25:25 PM
I started out committed to doing this procedure daily and got a bad cold anyway.  :(  Maybe I wasn't doing it right.

One thing I've noticed is that my nasal passages are very, very dry.  There's nothing to be swabbed out.  Do you think that makes a difference?

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday February 10, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
Hi TF,
Without an exam and a lot of boring questions, I can only speculate a bit.  The most likely cause is that the air in your environment is constantly too dry.  You may keep your home somewhat warmer than usual in winter or have an idiosyncratic heating system.  Try running a vaporizer continuously.

Alternatively or along with the vaporizer, add a step.  Oil up the nose before the shower.  Then do the water soaked swabs while in the shower.  Then do the oil swabbing again (reclining) after the shower.

Your nasal passages should never, never, ever be very, very dry.  (And that goes for the rest of you folks too!)

Do keep me advised of your developments.  I am as close as your keyboard.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Sunday February 11, 2007, 12:16:02 AM
Thanks, Anthro, I'll give that (oiling pre-shower) a try.

Our home is actually overly damp--we have a dehumidifier we have to run during the summer.  Winter does dry the house air a bit, but still not as much as you'd expect.

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday February 11, 2007, 01:04:35 AM
My dear,
Unless you are living in a cave, a dank castle, or a swamp, I have grave misgivings about your use of a DEhumidifier.  It has been a half century since I was in Virginia but I don't remember it being all that damp.  When I was about fifteen I was marooned for a day in the Okefenokee Swamp just south of Hell (in georgia).  THAT was DAMP!  It beat the chain-gang though.

No, I wasn't an escapee from a chain gang.  Just a fugitive.  And I had the good sense to get out of Georgia.  If I have any regrets about leaving Georgia it is leaving Machen, home of the most beautiful Sirens since Homer wrote the Odyssey.
:spank:  
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Sunday February 11, 2007, 01:39:19 AM
My dear,
Unless you are living in a cave, a dank castle, or a swamp, I have grave misgivings about your use of a DEhumidifier.

I don't know what to tell you, Anthro.  Without the dehumidifier, during the summer we grow mold that'd rival anything you might find in a dank castle.  We've tried repeatedly to get the A/C dudes to fix whatever they unfixed that caused this problem.  The house wasn't all that damp until a few years ago, but they swear up one side and down the other that there's nothing wrong with whatever they unfixed.

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It has been a half century since I was in Virginia but I don't remember it being all that damp.

Well, this is one of the mid-Atlantic states, where summer is, as the weatherfolk say, "hazy, hot and humid."  I'd guess the Okefenokee Swamp is probably more damp, but we're pretty ugly here in the summer.

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No, I wasn't an escapee from a chain gang.  Just a fugitive.

Some time, when I don't have cats fighting all around me because I'm late with their pre-bedtime snack, I'll have to get you to tell us about this.  You have a gift for saying just enough to pique my curiousity!  :hugs:  I'm glad you got out of Georgia.

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday February 11, 2007, 02:38:56 AM
Fire the meatheads and tell your problem to  competing companies until one says "Oh yeah, we'll fix that for you.  No problem."

Or better yet, if you paid well for this company to fix it and there was no improvement, check with the state regulators who oversee the licensing of air-conditioning contractors to see how you go about lodging a complaint.  Then BEFORE lodging the complaint, call the owner and give him a last chance to make it right and tell him what you intend to do if it isn't fixed properly. 

Let me see, there is also the BBB, and/or putting a big sign in the yard that says "Acme Air Conditioning Repair Service SUCKS!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Sunday February 11, 2007, 10:19:48 PM
Ah, Georgia! I miss it... the hubby, not so much. ;) Just last night we had the following conversation:

me: Ouch! <bleep>it!!

Dan: huh?

Me: <bleep>it, honey, we are retiring to somewhere with humidity! <bleep>.

Dan: It's just a static electricity shock. And we're not retiring to anywhere with humidity.

Me (sucking on my poor distraught shock-ridden finger): <bleep>.

While it's disturbingly dry where I live, TF does live closer to DC, which is a swamp. So I can see the use of a dehumidifiyer. Although Anthro's right, it'd be better to nail the idiot who created the problem in the first place.

As far as my allergy goes, I really don't know. I've had nasal allergies since I was a wee thing, and I'm almost used to it at this point. The swabbing helps about 70% of the allergic reaction. Doesn't do much for the itchy tip of my nose, for some reason.

But that's why God gave us Alavert, and why Dan bought it. So I'm all good.

...and I remove something from the schnoz nearly every day. I know you all wanted to hear that... :-[


Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Sunday February 11, 2007, 11:19:57 PM
Well it is certainly as dry as a tinder-box here... My nasal passages are extremely dry all the time, and short of walking aroung with a portable humidifier, I don't think there is much to be done once we leave the house.  We just got back from Detroit (hockey tournament) and the air in the hotel room was so dry that the cotton sheets (and they were all cotton) shot off blue sparks when you pulled the covers up.  Last night I left the shower running for almost an hour to try and get some moisture in the air. 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday February 12, 2007, 03:05:11 AM
Bama,
I'd say 70% is as adverised!  Congratulations.

Itchy,
You don't have to walk around with it, but a small portable humidifier can make you quite a bit more comfortable on your travels.  And done correctly, the oil swabbing also provides a high degree of comfort.  You are allowed to do this several times a day and some people with special problems do.  If you do it more than, oh say a dozen times a day, you might be getting to like it too much.  But you are going to have a very healthy nose.

but maybe an hour of letting the water run just to moisten the air is not entirely great for the environment even though the hotel was paying the water bill
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Monday February 12, 2007, 04:39:42 PM

but maybe an hour of letting the water run just to moisten the air is not entirely great for the environment even though the hotel was paying the water bill

Oh, I know anthro, and I felt very guilty, but I was on the verge scratching myself to a pulp and my little one's skin was begining to look awful (he has mild eczema and I wanted to stave off a major rash...)

Next time, I promise, I will bring the humidifier.  Not that it mitigates my crime at all, but I line dry all my laundry in the house during the winter to save on electricity and moisten the air...
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Monday February 12, 2007, 08:25:34 PM
I feel better knowing that you did that, Itchy... I've done the same thing! :hide:

I love the environment, but I've got my limits...
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday February 12, 2007, 09:49:29 PM
Gee Itchy, I tried to make that comment (almost) invisible because you are nifty and helpful and all that!  (but secretly I wanted to remind everyone that being careful of the environment is a daily job for us all). 

I no longer keep close track of my water usage, because I have established the conservation habit pretty solidly and demonstrated for several years that I could reasonably use half or less of other typical water users volume in my neighborhood.  So I have to bite my tongue sometimes when a neighbor let's the sprinklers run for hours after the lawn is totally saturated and water is just flooding into the gutter.
 :-[ :-X ???
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Tuesday February 13, 2007, 01:32:17 AM
No no, don't worry.  :hugs: I totally agree with you anthro, and it is our collective responsibility to take care of this place (and don't even get me started on this North American obsession with lawns....)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Tuesday February 20, 2007, 01:43:47 AM
I despise lawns myself. And I shouldn't have read the nearly-invisible writing, but I just got curious...

Today, even with the nasal swab AND the alavert, I was about to keel over dead. Stupid nose just keeps on running regardless of what I want to do to it.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday February 20, 2007, 07:57:48 PM
So sorry for your discomfort Bama.  It does sound like you are having an extreme reaction to one or more airborne allergens and that your body is doing it's best not to allow you to intervene effectively with the antihistamine.  Unfortunately this sometimes becomes a vicious cycle.

Let me ask, has your air conditioning system ever been corrected?  Leaving the antihistamine aside, what kind of oil or oils have you been using for the swabbing?  You may get some relief by simply going to a new oil.  If you are using an oil currently other than coconut oil for example, I would just switch to that.

Surgical masks are NOT effective prophylaxis against viruses.  But they CAN be effective against a variety of other airborne allergens, particularly when they are periodically dampened.

A negative ionizer could also be helpful, although they are often unwarrantedly expensive.

Do what you can to wean yourself from the antihistamines.  Keep me posted on developments.
Anthro
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Tuesday February 20, 2007, 08:22:53 PM
So far I've been using two different oils: olive and grapeseed oil (my hands were SO dry that day, and this stuff was cheap, and I thought hey, why not?) The olive oil does better than the other... it seems to bother one spot in my left nostral. ???

I'm glad to hear you say that the antihistimines are bad news, though. I'll go without tomarrow.

At the moment, I've had a trying day emotionally, I feel less-than-par physically, and I wish my nose would stop itching. >:(

More grump. Sorry.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday March 30, 2007, 05:23:00 PM
Well flu season is almost over but allergy season has commenced and apparently a lot of people are pretty miserable.  Remember, the very first post on this thread will provide you with the means of preventing such misery.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday April 22, 2007, 07:59:19 PM
I really don't pay much attention to pollen induced allergy season.  Certainly seem to be many miserable people right at the moment.  And apparently there are still some coming down with influenza as well.

For those of you who have not yet learned the procedure to prevent these miseries, if you go to the very first post on this thread and follow the directions contained, your lives are going to get a lot better.  There is no down side.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday May 24, 2007, 03:32:03 PM
In the next couple of days I will be saying something that may have something to do with the emerging and evolving viruses on my blog.  Directions for getting there are in my profile.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Alohamora on Saturday June 16, 2007, 08:25:32 PM
Hi Anthro,

What do you think of this http://www.sinucleanse.com/index.htm ?


Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday June 17, 2007, 03:35:43 AM
Depending on who you buy these "products" from, you will spend $25 - $30 for some measured tiny packets of salt, a "Neti" pot that looks like a little plastic Alladin's Lamp, and a small portable plastic bottle for irrigation when you are out and about.  I presume the saline solution to be quite dilute.  At least I hope so, because I do not approve of putting desiccating solutions up the nose.  Even mild ones.

To do so will dry the membrane to some extent.  This is not only unnecessary, it is counterproductive.  I challenge any doctor who advocates this to come here and support his position.

The rationale might be that tears have traces of sodium chloride in them and drain through the punctae into the lachrymal drainage system in the nasal passage.  Should one of these "doctor's" show up to debate the matter, I will take the opposite side of the question.

There could be some special condition of the sinuses which could conceivably benefit by a more copious lavage than the swabbing with clear water-soaked swabs as outlined in the first post of this thread, but the salt is still unnecessary window-dressing.

But there are many more dangerous forms of snake-oil out there than mild salt water.  If you can afford to spend 100 times the materials cost of the product-line and it gives you some perverse comfort to do so, you can't hurt yourself too much with this nonsense.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Wednesday August 08, 2007, 09:13:20 PM
Ah, neti pots! I think they're pretty. And I did wish for one, fervently, when I managed to inhale some shampoo. (I'm still not sure how I did that!) I managed to rinse it out with a glass of mildly salty water, stopping for manditory giggle breaks periodically. It really was a silly situation, if an uncomfortable one.

The purpose of the salt is that plain water burns in the uppermost parts of your sinuses. I know this is odd but it's true. I had to add some salt after the first attempt, and it did feel better. Must be similar to your eyes... getting water in your eyes in the shower isn't pleasant, but they stay wet with saltwater.

Of course, saltwater will burn, too, if you squirt saline up your nose when the air's dry. I did that for a while to combat nosebleeds when I moved to Virginia. That really was a horrable winter.

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday August 09, 2007, 01:42:04 AM
Bama, I think that was your body's way of trying to tell you not to pour salt water up your nose.  Avoidance of shampoo in the sinuses is a good idea too. 

Any new person stumbling on this thread would do well to go back to post one.  Hope you start using the technique described.  You will find that it works well.

And Bama, should you snort shampoo inadvertently in the future, you might try some coconut oil next time.  Clear water will do for a first flush.  The coconut oil should be quite good to soothe the detergent irritation of the membranes.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Thursday August 09, 2007, 04:27:01 PM
True. Nose hairs do not need shampooing.

/me makes a mental note to add "get oil and bottle" to her list. She lost her last nasal oil bottle, more's the pity.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday September 17, 2007, 12:42:45 AM
Well Everyone,
This is the time of year that it is very good to get going on the method of preventing colds and flu outlined in post one of this thread.  Many of us continue throughout the year for the benefits in reducing allergic responses to airborne allergens, but those who are not troubled with allergies often do not continue with daily regularity throughout the summer.  It is a good idea to re-establish the daily habit before contagion becomes widespread in your surroundings.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Monday September 17, 2007, 12:16:10 PM
Swabbed myself today and yesterday. It's helping a lot with the pollen.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday October 11, 2007, 07:15:59 AM
Doesn't work as well against the airborn allergens as it does to prevent colds and flu, but it still cuts into the severity of the allergic reactions quite substantially.  Most people I talk to can reduce or eliminate the allergy meds they were using withen a few days after commencing the oil swabbing.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday November 14, 2007, 01:02:22 AM
I didn't respond earlier to the comment about using water soaked swabs, stinging the upper portion of the nasal passage.  It does not happen with me.  Maybe I'm insensitive.  But upon further thought, it could be that you are using tap water right out of the faucet.  There is considerable variation in the water in different locations.  Freshly out of the tap, water is often laced with chlorine.  I can see how that could cause some stinging.  My tap water is reasonably low in chlorine and after filtering with activated charcoal. any chlorine that remains is negligible.  Those of you with really bad municipal water might want to boil it and let it cool.  This will eliminate virtually all the chlorine.  Or charcoal filter it the way I do.

Filtering your water does cost a little effort and a few cents a gallon, but look at the horrendous waste that is involved with bottled drinking water.  It comes in plastic bottles which are usually discarded after one use.  And it is often only municipal water that has been filtered and/or ozonated at the bottling plant.

Then it is trucked to the store where you bought it, and brought home in your car.  Each of these things consume fuel.  That is on top of your paying perhaps a buck a gallon at the store.

I can think of no reasonable reason to use commercially bottled water, and every reason to filter it yourself, even though the filters are more expensive than they should be.  In spite of that, prorated for the life of the filter, your water is still only going to cost you about a nickle a gallon, tastes better, and is probably better for your health.  So where is the down side to filtering your water?  Seems like a no-brainer to me.

I do not feel the same about water-softening systems, which add some sodium traces to the water in the process of getting rid of some of the other minerals.  Charcoal filtering is quite satisfactory for that as well, except it won't help much in the shower.

Let us try not to squander our limited resources.  The problem is serious now.  It will be critical before long if we don't pay attention.

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday February 16, 2008, 06:33:40 PM
In the past month, visits to doctors for flu like symptoms have tripled from 2% to 6% and rising, here in the US.  While the culprit is not H5N1 (avian) flu, it is still a matter of considerable concern.  The strain responsible for most of this increase is H3N2.  This strain seems to be affecting children most seriously.  The fatalities have been pretty much confined to young people, some of them with other pre-existing problems like asthma.

Those of you who have not yet  become familiar with the procedure which, if regularly done on a daily basis, will provide excellent protection against both influenza and rhinoviruses (colds) can read post one of this thread and follow the directions.  You will also find your reactions to airborne allergens are far less severe.  To your health.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Sunday February 17, 2008, 12:15:26 PM
:hugs: Welcome back, Anthro. I've missed you.

I also wish to state that after this winter, I will have gone 3 semesters over two school years without catching a cold. (My dear hubby, who poo-poos this system, caught a cold last week to his dismay and my delight. Dispite no change in habbit (we still smooch) I have not caught the cold from him.)

As soon as I'm a fixture in a school, I plan to spread the word about this!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday February 17, 2008, 05:49:27 PM
It is successes like yours which best spread the news about the value of this procedure,  It’s now been a quarter of a century that I’ve been doing this.  In those early days, people were not entirely receptive to talking about the proper maintenance of the nose.   Nose talk was not XXX, but it was certainly x.  It is why I use the phrase nasal passage instead of nostril, mucosal secretions rather than….  The other phraseology I employ in post #1 of this thread is very helpful in preventing the listener from being distracted by embarrassment.  People do not reason well while blushing.

When we do this procedure, we not only prevent our own illness, we also stop being vectors for the further spread of flu or rhinoviruses (colds).  In a sense, good health is contagious.  The more healthy people there are proportionately, the less likely epidemics can erupt into pandemics.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: lin317 on Friday February 22, 2008, 12:01:22 PM
Hello and thank you for this info. I forwarded to all my friends. I also rinsed my nose in the shower as a first step to change. I have a couple questions you m,ight be able to help with.

1. Have you heard of a nettle or netti pot to rinse out the nose and if so, it is good better or not as good as a q-tip for the washing?

2. My brother has really bad sinis infection that has gone on way too long (no insurance and dr gave antibiotics that didn't help) to the point he takes sinus meds chronically and has headaches on top of his head daily. I worry he could have menningitis by now. Please tell me if you know what he can do to help himself. He is now on the second round of antibiotics this time.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday February 22, 2008, 03:20:39 PM
Some of the people who now engage in this procedure were users previously of the Netti Pot.  It is an irrigation device whose purpose is the flushing of higher portions of the nasal system than is usually warranted for most people.  I neither advocate nor oppose the use of a Netti Pot.  They are sometimes used with saline solutions.  I do generally oppose saline solutions in the nose.  They have some drying effect on the nasal membranes that may do more harm than good.

With the procedure I have outlined on this thread there is no actual flushing of the sinus system.  The central part of the procedure is the oil coating of the vestibular inch or so of the nasal passages, preventing their microscopic chapping which provide entry points for opportunistic viruses and bacteria.

A secondary factor is the capture of dust and other airborne particulates by the oil.  And the reason the oil works better than the natural mucosal secretions of the nose is that those secretions can and do, particularly in the presence of dust and other airborne particles, dry out, often bonding concretely to nasal hairs.  In removing this nasal detritus the hairs are sometimes pulled out, causing microscopic lesions which provide even easier entry for pathological organisms and viruses.

Excellent question.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday February 22, 2008, 03:56:16 PM
...Uh, and you might want to encourage your brother to eat some yogurt an hour or two after each dose of oral antibiotics to re-establish the beneficial flora and fauna of the gut.  Doctors, for some reason unknown to me, often do not advise their patients to do this when they prescribe oral antibiotics.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: lin317 on Friday February 22, 2008, 05:36:24 PM
Thanks I will ring him up and I appreciate your kindness.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday February 22, 2008, 09:12:09 PM
Hi Lin, 
 I answered your question, then had an afterthought and posted it.  The new post split off onto the next page.  I think you may only have seen the second post.  My computer has been giving me a lot of trouble both posting and sending PM’s  I tried without success to Email you.  At the moment I have to try to  post five or six times to get it to take once.  I am not the most computer conversant person around.  While I haven’t had a cold or flu for twenty five years my computer gets a virus lately every week or two.  I’m starting to develop a theory about that.
Anthropositor
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Saturday February 23, 2008, 02:07:06 AM
While I haven’t had a cold or flu for twenty five years my computer gets a virus lately every week or two.  I’m starting to develop a theory about that.

Hmmm, maybe like the picture of Dorian Gray--your computer is getting your viruses!  :lol:

Anthro, I must be the only person who has tried your procedure that couldn't get it to work.  Each time I've tried, I've come down, within a couple of weeks, with the worst cold in memory.  :(  Either I'm doing it wrong (altho I followed your instructions very carefully) or I'm the exception that proves the rule.

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday February 23, 2008, 08:40:31 AM
I get a similar report from someone every year or two.  In some cases, with a bit of conversation I am able to sort out why.  Doing it before bedtime rather than before going out and mixing with the public is one example.  When I ask why they don't do it before going to work instead of at bedtime, I am told something like, "I never have time in the morning."

Sort of like the guy searching for his keys under a streetlight.  When asked how he happened to lose them under the streetlight he says, "Oh, I probably lost them over by the porch but I can't see over there." 

But knowing you TF, I don't think the answer will be that silly.  Just ask yourself, were you doing it every day, or skipping some days now and then?  It IS really so easy to get too rushed in your schedule and just forget to do it.  I don't know how many times it has slipped my mind and I only realize it when I'm halfway to town.  It is why I carry small bottles of cooking oil and a ziplock baggie of Q-tips in the van.

Funny idea about Dorian Gray/Computer, but the truth of it is, it is my own ignorant fault my computer is getting sick.  I don't know how to build an impervious firewall.  I recently signed up with Norton Security but I am clueless as to exactly how much good they have done me.  They tell me the computer is free of viruses, yet still, it was spontaneously shutting me down.  I don't even know when or how I will get billed by Norton.

However, I am making headway.  For weeks, my browser was shutting down spontaneously, continuously, often while posting or Emailing or when I was doing nothing at all.

But even a blind pig finds a truffle once in a while.  I now have been on for several hours, dozing mostly, and the computer has not spontaneously closed my browser once.  I just started using a new browser, one which it turns out has a variety of useful features which make it seem like quite an improvement, like allowing me to make the print on the screen much larger than I could with the other, for instance.  Very useful for someone delaying cataract surgery.

Now I am going to hit the post button.  If this message posts, I'm off to bed.

(Well, how about that?  It posted.)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: totalfolly on Saturday February 23, 2008, 05:30:49 PM
Just ask yourself, were you doing it every day, or skipping some days now and then?

Honest, Anthro, I was very good about doing it every morning.  I didn't skip any days at all.  :(  My mornings are a little hectic, but I could do the cleansing swabbing during my shower, and the oiling hardly took any time at all so that really wasn't an issue.  The only thing I can think of is that perhaps I didn't swab quite deeply enough, but I thought I did.  The first time it happened I thought I might have already been infected before I started your procedure, but the second time it was easily two weeks after beginning.

I hope your computer problems can be resolved.  I wonder if you might want to post a question on the Bits and Bytes board--surely someone here can help you.  We have some very computer-savvy members (not me, even if that is my job for the next five weeks).  :)

totalfolly
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Saturday February 23, 2008, 07:22:47 PM
Eek! Norton is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil. Mccaffee is tonswaylots more better.

Although to be honest, I'm amazed that you would be picking up any viruses at all. I've never caught any, and I expect I visit riskier sites than you do. ???
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: LIGA girl on Saturday February 23, 2008, 07:26:43 PM
I would suggest to get an Apple, then viruses are a thing of the past!    8)
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Saturday February 23, 2008, 07:32:39 PM
I would suggest to get an Apple, then viruses are a thing of the past!    8)

:roll: Is that anything like an apple a day...? :lol:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: LIGA girl on Saturday February 23, 2008, 07:43:11 PM
I would suggest to get an Apple, then viruses are a thing of the past!    8)

:roll: Is that anything like an apple a day...? :lol:


There IS a similarity isn't there ....  ?   :roll:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday February 24, 2008, 05:13:34 AM
Actually, in the past twenty four hours, most of the problems that have gone on for some weeks seem to have evaporated, but they may come back.  I don't know that I can take it too personally though.

I understand that these intruding viruses and spyware can originate on virtually any continent and often infect randomly thousands if not millions of computers.

It has me thinking about what the motivations for doing this kind of vandalism might be.  It occurs to me that those who make a profit on the existence of these destructive programs are the companies which sell their services to clean them out of your computers.  I am told by people a lot more knowledgeable about such things than I am, that these companies often recruit from among the malicious miscreants who used to be most active in computer crime.  What is to prevent them from infecting the computers so that they can charge for repairing them?  It reminds me of the law firms specializing in getting settlements from the IRS who advertise that they employ ex IRS agents.

This is all the more plausible, because I have had screens appear, informing me that I have a handful of viruses and several sorts of spyware on my computer, and that if I employed their services, my computer could be restored to good health.  The question is, how would these companies be privy to what viruses and spyware were on my computer, unless they themselves had invaded and searched my system?  Let me see now.  Invade a government computer or a bank or other corporate computer, enforcement is going to go into action.  A personal computer gets invaded, I don't think there is an enforcement agency that would take that seriously at all.  Doesn't seem right somehow.

Anyway, what really seemed to do the trick, at least for the past day or two, was changing browsers.  Not something that a security company is likely to advise you to do.

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Sunday February 24, 2008, 01:37:37 PM
Actually, Anthro, that's been a theory of multiple people for quite some time - that the anti-viral companies create the very things they seek to destroy. I personally remain highly sceptical of any "warnings" that "viruses have been found." A lot of that garbage is advertising, plain and simple. While there are exceptions, most of the really bad stuff has to be consiously downloaded by the user.

Which is easier than you would think. :MEGAblush: I did it once. Got an email from "paypal" muttering something about "my account." Coincidentally, Dan and I had just had a problem with paypal a few weeks ago, so I foolishly DLed the "click here for more information" link.

Dan managed to clean it up with a minimum of damage. :doh:
 

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday February 24, 2008, 02:57:04 PM
Maybe I'm missing something.  It seems to me that it would be very much in the interests of the public and our respective governments, to determine if these companies are fraudulently representing that we have viruses and spyware infections on our computers which are not actually there, or that these companies or their surrogates actually "seeded" our computers with annoying, but easily repairable glitches (for those who designed the glitches).  What good are governments which are impotent to stop such practices, or are accomplices in allowing such "racketeering" to continue.

We know from history with certainty, that the traditional protection racketeers and other large scale criminal enterprises, often had key judges and legislators "in their pockets."  I too would like to believe that it isn't happenning today.  But the evidence to the contrary is pretty overwhelming, even to a computer dimwit like myself.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Monday February 25, 2008, 01:17:33 PM

We know from history with certainty, that the traditional protection racketeers and other large scale criminal enterprises, often had key judges and legislators "in their pockets."  I too would like to believe that it isn't happenning today.  But the evidence to the contrary is pretty overwhelming, even to a computer dimwit like myself.

/me makes an odd cough that sounds strangly like "tobacco companies." Unfortunately, this provokes a coughing fit, but the subsequent coughs sound like "oil oil oil."

I actually think that the virus companies are probably legit. Most "viruses" these days are really phishing scams designed to allow thieves access to your personal information. Seriously, the worst virus problems have to be downloaded, usually disguised as something else. (This is called a Trojan Horse, for those of y'all who will be on Jepardy one day.) Now, that is not to say that they've always been so innocent. I think they've done it before, although I think they're past that stage of their evil plan now.

Spam, on the other hand... >:( Tell me, has anyone, anywhere, ever bought anything from a spammed email? Why, then, are the spammers still doing it? I've even accidntally opened a spammed email to discover random words and no advertising at all. I think the spamblocker companies are behind that 100%.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday February 28, 2008, 07:33:01 AM
Getting back to your respiratory difficulties TF, I've been mulling it over for the past few days, as I generally do when I get such a report.  Here are a few possibilities;  The oil swabbing, was it done in a prone position?  A certain number of people skip the laying down portion of the procedure.  Even I do, in those times when I have forgotten to do it before leaving home. But nine out of ten times, I do the oil swabbing while lying on my back on the bed.

There is no easy way to tell for sure, but it could also be that you have a bacterial respiratory infection, particularly if it went on for several weeks, and included an unproductive cough with deep congestion.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday May 18, 2008, 07:21:25 AM
It is hard to tell for sure exactly when flu season is over because it overlaps with the myriad allergies of spring.  Seems like the folks with allergies are often just as miserable as those with colds and flu.  Living "out in the country" with industrial chicken farms and cattle in the fields accounting for a certain amount of the airborne debris, has me thinking about this, along with wild molds, fungi and yeasts, I find the healthy respiratory system quite a marvelous thing to have.

But of all the airborne contaminants we deal with, pollens certainly need to be way up near the top of the list of trouble makers, right by household chemicals and "air fresheners" and other perfumed sprays.

Thousands of different varieties of pollen.  Each with its' own size, time, weight, external configuration and other characteristics.  Tree, flower, fruit, vegetable, not to mention the grains.  Wheat and corn and the other food grains produce a lot of pollen, although I haven't heard much about these particular pollens causing much problem.

Someone remarked to me that at least pollen allergies are not contagious, like colds and other viruses.  But I'm not quite so sure. 

If we grow more crops, or engineer the landscaping in a city or a shopping center, we tend to favor trees that produce more pollen and less fruit or annoyingly litter the sidewalk with seed pods.  So the designer selects the gender which produces the pollen, rather than the seed pods and other reproductive debris that can cover the ground and pose various maintenance problems.  Pollens blow away in the wind.  But I wonder if the landscaping engineer looks at it from that perspective.

I would guess that just in the small industrial chicken farms within five miles of me, we have an intensely crowded chicken population of a few hundred thousand chickens.  This is also the neighborhood of the country with unusually frequent high winds and tornadoes.  This year already marks the highest number of tornado incidents, by a factor of more than three times.  And the storms and straight line winds seem unusually intense.  I have lost count of the flood and wind damaged counties in the state this season so far.  High winds stir a lot of things into the air.  How long it stays airborne can range from minutes to days. depending on a lot of factors.

The oiling of the nose as outlined here, is not a magic bullet that will get rid of every last vestige of distress you might be experiencing from respiratory allergic responses.  But it is very likely that you will find much less need for prescription or over the counter nostrums, and may be able to do without them entirely.

But I have been on this project for a quarter of a century now.  So it is time to work on some other things with greater vigor.  The cataracts of the past couple of years have not worsened to the extent that I can't drive, but during night time, with the glare of headlights has been getting a little problematical.  So while I have been investigating the various intra ocular lenses that are implanted in the eye to replace the cataractous original lens, I designed a visual appliance to deal with night glare and reduce its' impact on driving vision.  I now don't drive after sunset without it.

The other portion of my effort has been to find one of the new lens designs which appealed to me more than the existing state of the art.  But maybe I ought to put something on that on the eye surgery or letter to the doctor thread.  These cataracts have been quite an eyeopener for me.

I have been working on some new eyedrops, which I have now used a half dozen times in the worst eye.  The objective of course is to clarify some of the clouding of the cataract of the biological lens of the eye.  The ultimate idea of course is to also try to restore the accommodative function (the flexure focusing of the biological lens) that has become thicker and less pliable than it once was.  So far, no one seems to have much of an idea how to do that.  This is at least as hard a problem as the opacity.  And certainly, with expensive and brief surgery available, which improves vision fairly reliably, there is not much emphasis in the health industry, on trying to restore the accommodative function (the ability to variably focus). 

So one of these days, on one of those other threads or on my blog, which I haven't been adding to very much lately, I will discuss what I have learned about lenses and cataracts and surgery and the variety of other methodologies that can be employed to prolong the use of the original equipment until surgery can no longer be avoided. 

So far, it has been about 15 months since the original scheduled surgery on the right eye was canceled.  A lot has been happenning in the field.  The changes will be even greater in the years to come.  I recently found a lens which has not yet been approved by the USFDA yet.  I resist paying two thousand dollars extra for most of the accommodating lenses I have seen.  But I saw one the other day that I think may be a breakthrough.  The haptics were very much in line with what I have been brainstorming about, in terms of how much edge area actually makes contact with the zonule area of the lens capsule periphery. 

Apparently, so far only about 900 eyes have been done worldwide.  I haven't yet gotten a response back from my query about this lens and what government and commercial hoops need to be jumped through to get it.  It looks like the experimental study is over, but there will be some unknown amount of regulatory bureaucratic lag before this lens is available to a wider group of patients.  At least one limiting factor is that surgeons, already used to their established lenses of choice, are not all that comfortable with using a lens which bears little superficial resemblance to any of the lenses they have been using.

 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Wednesday May 21, 2008, 11:05:50 PM
For more information on Anthro's eye expirements, please see "Anthopositor Hires a Surgeon"

http://www.skincell.org/community/index.php/topic,21968.0.html
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday May 23, 2008, 08:06:26 PM
Thank you Bama, that should help with my crossthreading.  Now to another "fresh" news story.


A story by Reuters reports another human case of H5N1 in Bangladesh.  A sixteen month old boy got it in January and has recovered.  It is interesting that this many months have gone by before the report was made public. 

Meanwhile, the poultry population has taken losses of 163 million dollars, representing 2 million culled chickens and 2 million eggs.  I have seen no information anywhere that well cooked infected chickens or eggs pose any risk of transmitting the virus.  The logic behind these policies continues to elude me.  Thorough cooking should remove all danger of viral transmission. 

Of course, one might want to alter the usual procedure of plucking and gutting the chickens prior to cooking, to minimise the potential exposure of chicken workers.  The chickens do not even need to be plucked.  After some pressure cooking, the chickens could be skinned, which would remove the skin and feathers simultaneously. 

Although the gutting of an animal is usually done as the first stage in butchering, there is nothing that actually requires it to be done that way. 

I just butchered a deer a few months ago, without gutting it at all, just to demonstrate that the meat would not be tainted or "soured" to use the word of my local idiot butcher.  The meat of this road kill is just excellent, and my dogs were perfectly happy to eat the skeleton and the guts for several days after I was done.  I wrote about this in some greater detail somewhere, but since blindness is currently encroaching, I am not going to root around to see where I put it.  My choices now are large print, and very large print.  And if I don't succeed in negotiating the lens I want in the first eye, my reading will be pretty well over with in less than a year.  It is one of the reasons I write less.  I would rather spend the time reading while I still can.

Of course, if I manage to get the first eye done well, I will then be able to wait a number of years before the second eye gets its' new lens.  Ill probably say more about this over on the Surgeon thread.
 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday August 19, 2008, 10:22:09 PM
I want to talk a bit about the good news with H5N1, the strain we currently fear the most, the one that has now shown a clear ability to cross species barriers into humans in triple digit numbers now, and the present day analogue of the strain that caused the world pandemic killing unknown millions at the close of the First World War.

It turns out that there are a number of survivors still living, some of them  living with ages in the triple digits, having been older children during the epidemic when they contracted the disease.  Our astute and sophisticated medical establishment apparently was not particularly interested in this fact until very recently.  A fact which fails to surprise me.

Now though, the interest is keen.  These unusually healthy and robust elders in our midst are now the objects of considerable attention, and are being gleefully probed for their blood in the very real hope and prospect that antibodies can be mass produced that will afford real protection even before a new outbreak gets out of control.

But frankly, I wonder how good it is for these centenarians to be jabbed for these samples.

The current procedure throughout the world is, a chicken or two in an industrial chicken house is positive for the virus, wipe out the infected chicken and the whole damn chicken house,  many thousands of apparently healthy chickens.  Destroyed.  Buried.  Burned.  Who takes these losses?  The farmer.  Sort of gives him some incentive to button his lip and hope for the best, doesn't it?

I wonder if it would not be a good idea, the next time there is an outbreak, to let it run its' course through a very, very, very quarantined chicken house.  Actually take the very best care of those chickens!  (No, I don't mean to treat the stricken ones in any way.)  I just mean, feed them excellent rations and very good water, remove all corpses promptly, and see how many survivors there are.

Let us say that out of 10,000 chickens, 100 survived.  Now you have a hundred chickens you could poke with needles to get some samples to make a vaccine with which a pharmaceutical company could them make billions of dollars.  Ah, the wonders of private enterprise!

OR, you could even breed those survivor chickens, ultimately producing tens of thousands, even eventually millions or even billions of chickens, which were totally immune, not only to the deadly virulent strain, but also to a great variety of other common influenza's.  Apparently these aged survivors have, more often than not , not subsequently been troubled by colds or flu that they noticed.  In other words, the original infection seems to have made the survivors a LOT healthier.  Would it not be nice if we could make the entire chicken population of the planet much, much hardier and less prone to disease in general.

Naw, couldn't work.  Otherwise, one of those experts with all that formal training, all those diplomas and honors,in cooperation with all the high ranking health organization bureaucrats with their unique expertize in writing protocols and edicts and regulations... they would have already thought of it. 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday September 15, 2008, 01:55:07 AM
I just noticed, it is already the middle of September.  In the past, pollen allergies, (ragweed being one of the big ones) would still be a little further off.  But from what I have been seeing in town, this year is getting an early start.  A lot of people are in considerable distress.

My guess is that it has something to do with global warming and an accelerated growth of certain widespread weeds, with a substantial increase in the volume of pollen produced.

Even though I personally am not particularly troubled by pollen, dust and fungi, I am moved to get back into the swabbing routine a bit earlier than usual this year.  Meaning today.  If you are going to get the maximum value out of this protocol it is a very good idea to make it a habitual daily practice.  Those of you who haven't yet actually done it yet will find it quite easy to do.  As soon as you come to the conclusion that you would like to prevent getting colds and flu, and very sharply reduce allergies, just read post one on this thread and get started right away.  Knowing how, but not getting around to it is of no protection whatsoever.  Only doing it daily, before going out into the public affords excellent protection.

Post one of this thread provides all the information you need.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday September 17, 2008, 08:14:19 PM
Today, after viewing a website called "Faces of Influenza" by the American Lung Association, I tendered the following invitation:

"Your critical review of the sticky thread on Skin Cell Forum in the General Health section relating to the prevention of influenza, rhinoviruses and other airborne infectious diseases is invited.  I designed the procedure and initiated the thread,  It works excellently for those who do it regularly, and is also quite helpful in reducing allergic responses to airborne allergens."

Wouldn't it be nice if they weighed in with an opinion?  Certainly it is relevant to their activities in improving the health of the populace.  Or so it seems to me.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Wednesday September 17, 2008, 10:12:16 PM
Do it. Daily. And start NOW. I started yesterday, the day after my cooperating teacher brought a horrible cold into the classroom. As it turns out, it was at least a day too late... I've got that throat tingle. (Icky bad throat tingle!) Heed my warning: this isn't the first time skipping a dose has resulted in icky throat thingies and stuffy cheekbones.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday September 18, 2008, 06:09:22 AM
Always good to dwell on the positive as well.  Rather than thoughts of missing a dose, I think in terms of the greater comfort of the nose and how refreshing it is to go out into the contagious public with an invisible barrier that you have so easily applied before leaving the house.  This is ten times more effective than the surgical masks in vogue in many parts of Asia and elsewhere during times of possible epidemic contagion.

Since I am not troubled in any serious way with airborne allergens, I never would have noticed that bonus if others hadn't reported it.  So I certainly appreciate that input.

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Thursday September 18, 2008, 12:36:51 PM
I hope the Lung Association responds, too, anthro.

I will start today, too.  It's only week three of school and both kids have already caught colds.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Thursday September 18, 2008, 07:28:50 PM
You're right, Anthro, and please forgive my negativity. Fact is, this cold is bad and icky but didn't kill me like I thought it would. I thought I was going to be obviously ill and told to go the heck home halfway through the day. As it is, I'm taking tomorrow off, but it feels more like a precaution than anything else.

/me probably infected all her kids... :el:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday September 18, 2008, 09:01:51 PM
I can't tell from the symptoms you describe, but two things are more likely,

First, that you do not have a cold, but are reacting to ragweed pollen or another airborne allergen.  Or second, if you do have a rhinovirus, your students gave it to you. 

Like physicians, nurses, hospital workers and patients, teachers are in one of the highest risk professions.  I can think of only one germ vector of greater efficiency than a school child.  Musca Domestica Linnaeus.

If I were a school teacher, I would never swab the nasal passages fewer than twice per workday, before leaving for school, and during lunch break.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Friday September 19, 2008, 10:46:56 PM
A couple of years ago, when I was at a private school, I only swabbed once a day. (Very often it was in my car, until I realized that explaining why a little bitty bottle of gin is filled with olive oil was going to be difficult. After that I kept it in the teacher's lounge.) I got zero colds that year... very, very odd for a first year teacher. First year teachers are usually dying most of the time, and when you talk to a 30-year veteran, you're dealing with the strongest immune system on the planet.

But in a way, I kinda regret my abundance of good health that year. I had to "call in sick" more than a couple of times simply because the stress of the job was killing me. It bothered me to "play hooky." (That's really the biggest reason I stayed home today. I figure that I had best that whatever "day off" excuse I can get!!) ;)

Also, this cold will probably be finished tomorrow. Dunno if that's due to post-infection swabbing or just good luck, but I'm not asking questions. :)

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday October 25, 2008, 04:53:35 PM
In the mid South USA, right now, we have both high ragweed pollen and high mold counts.  The distress they cause is very difficult to differentiate from the common cold.  Fortunately, this procedure (see post one, this thread) provides considerable relief, even if there was negligence (failure to do it regularly before the onset of symptoms).

If you do get substantial relief of symptoms which began before the swabbing commensed, this is a strong indicator that it is an allergic response to an airborne allergen and not a viral infection.

It is also worthwhile to note that even associated bacterial infections can be playing a part in what is happening.  Doctors and dentists would do well to make this much more clear to their patients.  I have never heard of a medical professional pointing out this very important fact to their patients.

Deep seated periodontal disease is serious, not just because of the consequences to the mouth in terms of receding gums and resulting tooth loss, but because of systemic effects on the rest of the body.

And oral surgery, no matter how popular it is with the oral surgeons, is not the only method of reversal of periodontal disease.  (See the Biting The Dentist, and Broken Fang threads. 

If you do have deep seated, long standing periodontal disease, there is a great deal you can do even without a dentist, and it is very, very improtant for you to do it.  Oral disease has much to do with inflammatory processes affecting the rest of the body, and can increase the probability of such life threatening events like stroke and heart attack.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday November 05, 2008, 05:51:24 PM
In the hard sciences, considerable effort is made to isolate elements to be tested to the highest extent possible, to reduce the chance that some outside feature may contaminate the test and cause unintended error.  This is certainly worthwhile but perhaps we carry it to too much of an extreme, which can also lead to failure to understand what is happening.

It has now been a quarter of a century since I first developed the Prevention Method outlined in this thread.  During all that time, I was not entirely slavishly stuck within a preconceived set of testing ground rules.  In invention or discovery, such preconceived limits can really retard important developments.  You cannot precisely plan a route into new and unfamiliar territory.

My original intention was not to "invent" or "discover" something.  It was simply to increase my chances of living to see the year 1990,  in retrospect, a rather modest goal.  When I actually got to 1990, that was the time I actually began to think in terms of teaching as many people as I could.  It was previously not likely for me to go even a year or two without a cold, or flu, or pneumonia, or all three.  And now that it has been a quarter of a century, I have extremely high confidence in the basic procedure, done regularly and correctly.

But certainly, to apply strict protocols would have meant that I could not apply other healthful innovations to my good health.  To the extent that these other things, not previously done, made me healthier, I was to some extent skewing the results of the swabbing.  In other words, to that extent, I was adding new variables, a thing which in "pure" science is not good, but which in real life, in invention and goal-oriented discovery, particularly within a fast and economical time frame, is essential.

Taking more supplemental vitamins and minerals  and other trace nutrients, negate the absolute validity of my testing of the procedure.  I have altered the original test conditions, by increasing the overall health of the test animal (me).  Nor could I expect that others who I taught would apply the same precision, or do the procedure with the same regularity that I did.  We live in the real world, and even in the most rigorous of double-blind tests, these factors play some part.

Another example would be my use of cyanoacrylate glue to reinforce or otherwise repair some of my teeth, or my methods of eliminating advanced periodontal infection without the accepted surgical procedures my dentist had "ordered" me to undergo before I fired him.  (See the threads Biting The Dentist and Broken Fang for more detail on this).

Having ultimately virtually eliminated the advanced periodontal disease by these alternative methods certainly had some impact on my vulnerability to infection in general, including respiratory infections.  So the only rigorously valid portion of my testing was in the eighties.  During the nineties and this most recent decade, these other things probably played some role, and neither I nor anyone else can really say how much.

And in this past year, my loading my diet with very large amounts of Shmooo (see the thread on Shmooo and Maca in the Nutrition subsection) on a daily basis, as the principle test animal and researcher, may also have had considerable favorable impact on my overall well being, also making me less susceptible to respiratory infections of every variety.

I encourage anyone who uses this procedure, not to do it in complete isolation from other healthful actions.  It is  a very important thing to do, but it is not the only thing to do.

See post one of this thread if you have not yet learned how.
http://www.skincell.org/community/index.php/topic,19899.0.html
To your health.
Anthropositor 

 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday November 21, 2008, 06:25:18 AM
A few weeks ago, being out of olive oil and coconut oil. I came up with an old bottle of flaxseed oil.  I'm not crazy about flax oil, since it has a pretty short shelf life.  Besides, with all the Shmooo I eat, flax is probably not important in my diet. 

So, since I no longer had any plans to ingest it, I decided to use it for this procedure.  Sort of counter intuitive, since flax is a dark and somewhat viscous oil.  It also has a bit of a flax odor to it so I was a little concerned about vomeronasal interference.  But it turns out just fine.  The nasal passages are as comfortable as they have ever been with any other vegetable oil.

Doing it daily before going out into the world is far more important than which oil you do it with.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday March 27, 2009, 02:18:04 AM
Flu season got a late start in the southern US, but it is making up for lost time.  Quite a few people are still getting sick.  Usually this is about the time I start to get relaxed about the procedure.  This year, I will continue on for maybe another month, just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday April 24, 2009, 07:05:12 PM
New and alarming news.  In the U.S. have been several instances reported of Swine flu with components of avian flu.  Less than a dozen, with no fatalities yet.

But south of the Mexican Border their have apparently been 70 deaths since March from the same or very similar strain.  More later if I cam find a more comfortable seat in another cyber cafe.

Just a heads up though.  Normally this is about the time the flu risk begins to wane a bit.  Anyone notice that things don't seem to be going according to normal patterns this year?

I had very successful eye operations, but well after, developed a bacterial infection that one medical professional speculated might have gotten started during those two short stints in the hospital.  No way to make any real connection though.  All I know for sure is that my white count went way up.  Seemed like it started as strep throat, moved to the chest, then to the left ear.  At least it didn't have the appearance of MRSA, but whatever bacteria it was dined comfortably on tetracycline and amoxacillin for about a month, without so much as a bacterial belch. 

I was running a continuous elevated temp of up to 3 degrees F only occasionally getting it to drop to 99.2, and making me feel my metamorphosis to worm food might not be far off.  I just started to turn the corner yesterday with Cipro.  But I lost fifteen pounds during the last month and about half my strength.

So this flu news is not too great for me.  One thing is sure.  I won't easily be induced to visit anyone in the hospital, and I will be continuing to do the procedure outlined at the top of this thread, two or three times a day.  Time for me to get out of this cyber cafe.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Friday April 24, 2009, 08:05:21 PM
Sorry to hear about your illness, Anthro.  I'm glad you are on the mend now.  It takes time to get your strength and energy back, so do take it easy.

I've been following all this about the Swine Flu.  A friend of mine left for Mexico yesterday for a week long holiday.  Luckily they are not in the area where the fatalities have happened, but it makes one wary nonetheless.  I was actually thinking about you this afternoon - you and the proceedure.  I was taking a very long walk, and as my eyes started watering (allergies?), my mind wandered to this flu and the need for vigilance still.  Thanks for the reminder.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Wooley on Saturday April 25, 2009, 09:59:39 AM
Anthro, I am sorry that you have been so unwell. I hope that you manage to avoid any further illness.

 :hugs:

Wooley
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
Post by: anthropositor on Friday May 01, 2009, 06:11:30 PM
Thanks Itchy & Wooley.  Whatever bacteria was doing it to me has found the Cipro about as disagreeable as I have.  And now that the seven day supply is gone, the temperature elevations are lower and of shorter duration.  I am seeing a normal temp at least part of the day every day now, and the peaks are much lower and of shorter duration.  I may regain full strength in a matter of weeks or less.

I wanted to say a few words about this ongoing pandemic worry.  First, a few corrections.  It has been labeled "swine" flu.  There is only the flimsiest notion that this H1N1 strain ever went through a pig.  The closest thing to evidence is that the original presumed epicenter, a small town in Mexico, happened to be near a very large industrial pig farm.  I have no idea if any of the reporters looked around for industrial chicken farms in the neighborhood, or major waterfowl populations migrating through.  My guess is, probably not.

Of course it is worrisome that this particular strain seems to transmit easily, human to human.  And it is always possible for further mutation, but the current facts seem to indicate that, as dangerous influenza's go, this is a pretty mild strain, with a very low mortality rate.  While it it is certainly worth watching with some care, we shouldn't go off the deep end.  Suggesting that healthy people should avoid air travel or public transit systems is panic, as is the closing of entire school systems.  This is over-reaction.

It is not over-reaction to swab the nasal passages with fresh cooking oil as described on post one of this thread.  And if a worse strain should appear on the horizon, even doing the procedure several times a day is a prudent activity.  Certainly far more effective and convenient than wearing all those silly masks.

And of course, simple hand washing, and keeping fingers away from nose, mouth and eyes is prudent as well.

A final note: my recent systemic bacterial infection has kept my immune system in high gear.  This has been extremely inconvenient, and took a lot of the wind out of my sails, but it is not all bad.  For example, I seem to be less troubled by creaky joints.  I have no idea why.  Could be the constancy of elevated temperature for weeks and weeks.  Could be that I lost so much weight over such a short span of time.  For whatever reason, it's a bonus.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday May 03, 2009, 09:28:03 PM
While there is some danger of "cry wolf syndrome" setting in, making us more complacent in the aftermath of some overreaction to the initial crisis, we should also realize that it is appropriate for public health officials to err on the side of caution. 

The danger is not all immediate.  I think we are very likely to sidestep a pandemic this late in the flu season.  But it is also likely that there will be a hidden reservoir of infected people that could jump start next flu season along with the expected strains we are already planning for.  But that too is a guessing game.

The trouble is there is a lot of guessing involved in designing vaccines.  Not only that, the retail price of these vaccines seems to have quintupled in a very few years.  What will this mean for the budgets of the various countries, especially considering that getting the vaccines out in anything approaching a timely way, in quantities that will protect the populations does not seem in practical prospect.

But even if this alarm settles down without much current illness, we need to watch next season quite closely and develop our best preventive strategies.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday May 12, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
Certainly the most economical strategy, and one which can be implemented without public health intervention and the astronomical costs that attend any multinational effort to prevent or contain a pandemic, is for individuals to apply the methods described in post 1 of this thread, and do the other prudent things to maintain optimum health.

It is also worthwhile to note that the consumption of pork products poses no risks whatsoever of viral infection.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumo
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Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday June 14, 2009, 12:47:03 AM
Well, while I suppose that technically the strain of influenza AH1N1's current spread does qualify it as a pandemic, the designation is a little unfortunate because, so far, it has been such a mild strain.  No large numbers of people are likely to succumb to its' effects.  What this means unfortunately, is that a great many people will be lulled into complacency over the word pandemic itself.

I have noticed an extreme increase in the cost of conventional flu shots which I don't believe is well warranted or justified in any way.  Perhaps it is, in part, due to inflation of the various currencies due to the world economic crisis, but I suspect some rampant profiteering.  I believe, in the last five years, I have seen the signs posted, advertising the shots, going from $5 up to (this year) $35.  That is pretty steep.  And that is just for the general flu shots.  It will be interesting to see what will happen when they produce the vaccine for this "swine" flu.  If I am not wrong, it will not be incorporated into the regular flu shot, which is often for about three expected strains.  I personally think that this is a decision with profit at the base.

Those of you with no unusual health difficulties might best choose to employ the procedure described at the beginning of this thread.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday July 31, 2009, 02:23:58 AM
Well, the AH1N1 "swine" flu strain has some odd features.  Although, to date, it has not been dangerously virulent to very many people, it would appear to be unusually easy to transmit from human to human.  This may explain why the flu "season" has extended this year right into the next influenza season.  I do not immediately recall when this has occurred before.  Maybe never.

It is for this reason that I am becoming a bit more pessimistic about the possibilities.  It is clear that, should this virus get really ugly, either in the numbers affected, or in the severity of the illness produced, we are extremely vulnerable in one very important way.  We will be very short of vaccine throughout the world.  This will mean some sort of rationing will be necessary.

During this part of a typical year, I am usually pretty relaxed about doing the procedure for a few months.  This year, I am not relaxing.  I am continuing to do it twice a day.  It is not a hardship to do this.  Particularly when you consider that you are not only preventing colds and flu, but are also reducing allergic responses to airborne allergens sharply.  From my perspective, there is no downside at all.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday August 12, 2009, 03:55:14 AM
It is worthwhile to note that whatever happens in the coming season, there will be an extreme shortfall of available vaccine when the pandemic heats up.  Bear in mind that these vaccines do not contain the live virus.  There is also a nasal "spray" which could also be used.  It is different.  It uses an attenuated live virus.

Two problems.  Using this spray means that you are actually infecting yourself with a milder form of the flu in the hope that it will confer immunity.  But with the large populations involved, we can expect that a certain number will have already contracted the flu, but are not yet symptomatic.  And the second problem is in the delivery system.  I have seen no details on it.  If it is a pressurized spray delivery system designed for a single use, the price may be prohibitive.  If it comes in a manual spray syringe, that too could be problematical from several perspectives.

Assuming that a safe, live, attenuated virus might be a good approach, why couldn't a cotton swab be used as the delivery device.  In the last twenty five years, using the procedure outlined at the top of this thread, no one has been harmed by swabbing vegetable oil into the nasal passage.  And if the patient is prepared to take a few minutes each day to do this for themselves, there is no need for any medical intervention at all.  You need not wait and hope that a vaccine will be available in a timely way. 

I certainly won't be indulging in shots or sprays to protect myself.  Therefore I am not at the mercy of a limited supply situation.  Nor will I be spending thirty or forty dollars for the three shots required.  (Two for the general flu protection, and one for the AH1N1 strain.

The daily cost is pennies.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday September 05, 2009, 02:29:44 AM
According to one estimate, my county has something in the neighborhood of 300+ cases of this flu at the moment, mostly in the children and young adults.  Sad that it is precisely this demographic group that seems most resistant to using this simple procedure to prevent it.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday October 26, 2009, 02:32:10 AM
In the next few days, I will be simplifying the procedure that begins this thread.  Although I personally have no interest in the vaccine, for several reasons, if you are in one of the several high risk groups, and can afford the admittedly high price that many have to pay, I encourage you to get the shot AND employ the procedure described at the top of this thread, because it protects against all the expected strains of the flue as well.  I will get back with more information as soon as I can.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Monday October 26, 2009, 12:30:30 PM
Really anthro?  What about the concerns over the adjuvant?  Here in Canada, we don't have the option of a non-adjuvented vaccine.... it's really giving me pause, even though both the H1N1 and the seasonal flu shot are "free".
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday October 31, 2009, 01:40:59 AM
I would not use them myself.  I don't believe they have been proven safe yet.  I'm not too enthusiastic about the attenuated live nasal vaccines either, but under some circumstances, like the current shortages of the dead vaccine, they really need to be used in the high risk groups. 

Of course I am in a rather enviable position.  I had a strain of H1N1 (which came closer to killing me than several assailants since) back in the 1957-58 season.  I'll try not to get too technical here, but really, although the name is the same, the strain is slightly different, though both are pretty serious for some victims.  The 1957-58 strain was actually an H1N1, and it might have killed roughly 2-3%.  I don't think there is hard data on this.  If there is, I haven't seen it.

This current strain, which is being referred to as Swine Flu in the vernacular, would best be referred to as AH1N1 in that it also has an avian component.  My opinion as a survivor of both that influenza and the medical system of that time is that this current strain is actually somewhat more dangerous than the 1957-58 variant.  That may sound like something of a contradiction, and perhaps it is.  But one of the treatments back then if the patient had an extremely elevated temperature was alcohol and ice cube baths.  When you have a temperature in excess of 105 or 106F I can't describe how cold that bath is.  Perhaps that was one of the things that saved me, but I doubt that such full body chilling is done today with any frequency.  The illusion in such a bath is that of being scorched, but I suppose the screaming is good for the lungs.  I don't know how much postural drainage is done these days either.  Nor can you get what is an excellent expectorant today without a great deal of trouble.  It is called SSKI (saturated solution potassium iodide).  I tried to get some last year.  The doctor really did not know what I was talking about.  Of course, it needs to be used with some care, but so do the tablets.  For me, the saturated solution would have been best since I am so familiar with it.  Absolutely essential to prevent thyroid cancer after a nuclear accident too. Anyone living within ten miles of a nuclear reactor should be able to get an ounce at will at any pharmacy without a prescription, just for nuclear emergencies.  10 drops per family member per day in juice or water while getting away from the reactor should be enough.  Discard if the clear fluid turns amber.

We also have some promising antivirals, which,like the vaccines are also in very short supply.  These did not exist in the fifties.  We could have been much further ahead than we are if we had started the research in making the caterpillar cell vaccines ten years ago, rather than continuing for so long with chicken egg production.  But there you are. 

Even so, these death rates need to be put into perspective.  Although in a pandemic like this, a lot of people are going to die, and the fatalities are likely to be in the many thousands, as a proportion of the infected, it is still going to be down in the 2 to 3% range.  Compare that to H5N1, in which we can expect two out of three victims to die.  Call it a 65% death rate.  In the aftermath of an H5N1 pandemic, the population could easily be reduced by nearly half.  So if you follow the extremely simplified instructions in the next post, you will still afford yourselves considerable protection against all airborne viruses.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday October 31, 2009, 01:47:08 AM
Okay, I have been called away, which is cause for brevity.  Skip everything in the first post of this thread.  Before going out in public, dip some cotton swabs in cooking oil of whatever variety you like.  Lay on your back.  Swab the nasal passages as high as you comfortably can.  Sniff in sharply.  Wipe your nose of any excess.  Do all the other prudent things you should do.  That quick enough for you?  Bye.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday November 25, 2009, 02:01:08 AM
In recent weeks a great many people have been waiting in long lines for hours in the hopes of getting the shots or the nasal blast for H1N1.  Often at the end of all this time, they are still being turned away.  It seems rather counter-productive to me, having all this public exposure, and still not attaining any level of protection.  If you intend to stand in line for the vaccine in any form, whether you are likely to actually get it or not, that would be an ideal time to engage in the short form of protection of the previous post, or the more complete procedure as outlined and explained at the beginning of this thread.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday April 15, 2010, 03:04:53 AM
According to the authorities, H5N1 is not a respecter of conventional flu season.  They are still advertising the availability of the vaccine, even now in April.  At the very least, protect yourselves with the method outlined in this thread.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Tuesday October 12, 2010, 02:05:11 AM
This is the time of year to once again diligently begin employing the procedure.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday March 02, 2011, 01:59:20 AM
Well, although I have been a refugee for more than half a year, living under conditions which can only be described as... literally horrendous, by American standards, one more season has gone by without colds or flu.  Twenty-seven years now, entirely free of these viruses.

Stress, on the other hand, posed a potentially lethal problem.  I found myself feeling a "hollow feeling" in my chest on average of a dozen times a week, during times of greatest crisis.  I do belong to a generally worthless HMO which I joined two years ago right after the two eye operations which restored my vision so spectacularly a couple of years ago.  But that's old news now.  Frankly I don't recall if I brought those threads on the surgery and the aftermath up to date.  But if not, I'll probably get to it as time goes along.  I don't expect to be a refugee much longer.

But with regard to the cardiac difficulty, here is what transpired.  I reported it to the nurse practitioner at the clinic assigned by my HMO.  Though I have made two visits to said clinic in the past couple of years, and reported the frequency of these hollow feelings in the chest, I have yet to meet the Doctor assigned to me.  I was told that the clinic was trying to set up an appointment with an internist.  They did not get back to me even with several calls by me requesting that they either do what they said they were going to do, or alternatively, actually introduce me to my doctor.  I suppose I could have pressed the point further, but you would be surprised how busy you can be without a permanent abode.

But the frequency of this repeated hollow feeling in the chest, always occurring during high stress times, had to be dealt with one way or another.  So, since the eye operations went so well, and it didn't look like medical attention was in the cards, I started delving into the field of cardiology.  As it turned out, it was fortuitous that the clinic dropped the ball, leaving me with nowhere to turn except my own rather urgent curiosity.  And of course it was absolutely splendid that my eyes were working so spectacularly well, since intensive investigation of the subject was required.  I no longer think of the previous blind period much at all.  It seems like irrelevant ancient history now. 

In any case, the study of the cardiovascular system also sort of kept my mind off my wife and I being nomads.  So that was another piece of good fortune.  And necessity is certainly a fine focusing agent for the mind.  So I had a strategy forming within weeks and began to implement it, polishing it as I went along. 

If anything, the stresses of life actually accelerated as I employed the plan, but the frequent hollow feelings in the chest abated quickly in the first ten days or so, and have been gone for a few months now.

Of course, this is all anecdotal.  I did happen to mention it to one of my most seasoned long term chess students, who had already had some bypass procedures some time back.  I was hesitant to do this because he was still under the care of a couple of physicians.  But on the other hand, the things I was doing were not invasive, not surgical, not pharmaceutical, and not technically practicing medicine.  He has been doing the same things I have for about a month less than I have been doing it.  Our situations are not analogous of course.  He has had cardiac episodes and surgical procedures.  But he too is pretty happy with how things are going for him. 

I am still tweaking my daily program, particularly in terms of routes of administration.  I have strenuously advised him not to do some of these more experimental elements.  No good reason for him to do so.  He is doing just fine without these other new innovations.  And he is attended by some physicians.  But as for me, I am just a maverick anecdote sans physician.  And I have little to lose.  Particularly since the hollow feeling has hit the road.  Oh yeah... I am treating my Honey too.  She has had some chest pains now and then previously.  Different than a hollow feeling, but still a negative indicator.  So far she seems to be doing well.  I guess we are just two anecdotes in a pod.     
 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: itchychick on Wednesday March 02, 2011, 03:47:08 PM
Sorry to hear of your difficulties, Anthro.  I hope things turn around for you soon.  As for your heart, please take care.... and be persistent with the medical side of things, at least so you get a proper, definitive diagnosis as to what's going on, and then you'll know what road you'll have to take - even if you go down it on your own.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday March 03, 2011, 02:31:34 AM
No worries dear.  Things are about to look up.  My own innovations show considerably more promise than anything the HMO was doing, or rather, not doing.  One does expect reasonable follow-up of the symptoms I was presenting.  But since they didn't, I did.  I am happy with the abatement of symptoms in response to my efforts.  It is true, I do not have tangible instrumental data on what was the precise cause of the frequent episodes, but the sudden termination of them is better than the sudden termination of me that could have happened had I not taken decisive action.  My wife too is losing her symptoms in response to the treatment plan, though hers is less experimental in the details.  Let's face it, we are in our seventies, and most of the medical community has the notion that we are probably on our last legs anyway.  Do you know of many people of our age who are not on multiple daily prescriptions?  Other than my wife and myself, I don't.  I hope you are continuing to do well.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Friday March 04, 2011, 07:36:36 PM
Anthro! *tackleglomp* I've missed you greatly. I stayed cold-free this season, and I'm going to teach my dear friend how to do the same... he has asthma something fierce. He kinda neimed at the idea of oil, though... I plan to persevere. 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday March 21, 2011, 02:03:08 AM
...Try calling it vegetable fat.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday May 02, 2012, 01:39:33 AM
Been a little over a year since I was last here.  Being a refugee requires a certain amount of added focus.  However, it has all been worthwhile.  Several of my new endeavors have been extremely worthwhile from a health standpoint.  Now that I am in my eighth decade, that is certainly a plus. 

More to the point for this thread though is, another year has elapsed without any colds or influenza.  That makes it twenty eight years now for me.  I really have nothing breaking edge new to share on the subject.

My new endeavors relate to enzymes and live foods as they relate to survival and longevity, but until I have been my own guinea pig for another year or so, no matter how well it seems to be going, I think I should keep my lip buttoned.

Oh yeah, my eye operations, I forget at the moment how long ago, maybe three years anyway; the results are still scintillatingly beyond my expectations.  Certainly glad I went the long way around on that.

I live in the woods now and therefore have a certain number of bug bites, but other that that, the skin is, for someone my age, flawless.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: Bamawing on Wednesday May 02, 2012, 03:06:48 AM
It's always wonderful to see you, Anthro. I had figured you were gone for good, which made me all kinds of worried and sad. :hugs: It's great to hear that you're doing well. Hope the refugee status resolves itself and we get to see you more often!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: CalamityJane on Tuesday June 05, 2012, 03:05:02 AM
Hi Anthro, great to see you back and catch up a bit.

I wondered what had happened to you. I call you "the professor" in my mind! ;D I agree with Bama, hope to see you more often. :hug:

Jane
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday March 14, 2014, 11:19:27 PM
Hello, I am back, posting with a tablet which is entirely new to me with a stylus I made myself.  This will be short.  The message belongs on this thread.  Along with the method of flu prevention outlined in this thread, break yourselves of licking your fingers when counting your money.  It is an unconscious habit, difficult to break.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday March 26, 2014, 06:51:52 AM
This is a little day of celebration for me.  Been something of a refugee since losing the house to a nefarious group of scoundrels.  It's a growth experience to seemingly lose everything.  But I have seen the scoundrels seemingly not doing so well, except for a certain amount of extra wealth.  But other than that, they suffer terribly from one form or another of stunted conscience.  I forgive them for they know not what they do.

We, on the other hand, have learned this refugee stuff pretty well and are now seeing the light at the end of the tunnel (maybe a few more years, give or take).  The winter that just ended was challenging, with the power outages, burst water pipes, freezing days and nights, etc., We are in our mid seventies now, still taking no prescriptions.  My wife took a hard fall on some ice about a month ago.  She got some bruises but broke nothing.

I had four such falls in the last two years, breaking nothing.  Then, just last week I was delving deeply into about a ton or so of experimental compost standing atop the pile with an improvised hoe.  It snagged something.  I yanked.  Whatever it was came free unexpectedly.  I flew off the top of the pile to the ground, landing on my back.  I furtively looked around, noting happily that only some cats and the dog could have seen my blunder, and they didn't seem to be paying any particular attention.  I got up and turned the compost vigorously for another hour.  My point is, it pays to be healthy.

I guess I am meandering a bit.  My last post was done on a new tablet computer I bartered my services for: a Samsung Galaxy Tab3.  It is not something I would have actually bought on refugee resources.  In any case, I have been learning the ropes.  The keyboard, which seems to appear almost telepathically when needed, is too small for my hands or fingers.  This is why my previous post on this thread was so brief.  I was using the tablet for the first time.  I came to the conclusion that I really had to have some sort of stylus. 

I went to the video/book/music store/coffee house where I teach chess and work with some of my ghostwriting clients.  The store's styluses ranged from $6.99 to $20.  That seemed a bit much to me for something that simply transmits ones own bodily static electricity to the screen.  In other words, a simple capacitor with a soft tip, much smaller than the tip of your finger.  So I made one out of a Q-tip, a small piece of aluminum foil, a couple drops of super glue and a drop of water to prime the exposed eighth inch of the swab.  To carry it in my shirt pocket, I cut a plastic drinking straw the right length, jammed half an empty gelatin capsule in one end, dropped the stylus in with the wet end facing up, sealed it with the cap from a worn out ball point pen, to hold it in my shirt pocket, ready for use.  If the stylus eventually stop working, I just wet the exposed tip of the Q-tip with a drop or two of fresh clean water.  I do not lick it!  That would be just as unhealthful as licking your fingers while you are counting money.

Oh yeah. two other things to celebrate.  I also bartered satellite WiFi in our ramshackle abode!  I can now get on the internet 24 hours a day without going to a town thirteen miles away.  This is right up there with two other notable events.  Until last year we needed a bucket to flush the toilet.  Now we push the lever.  My honey is really happy with this luxury. 

But for me, what was almost a life changing event was an offer I couldn't refuse.  A reclusive gardener with perhaps a simmering case of Asberger's Syndrome (a high functioning variety of autism) whom I have known distantly for perhaps fifteen years, approached me with an Amazon Kindle that was perhaps three years old.  I have the feeling that he bought it used, on spec.  I have always resisted such E-books for reasons that seemed to make sense: purchase price, captive audience of one publisher, albeit a big one, and the probable price of each book purchased.

Since my early teens, on the road, so to speak, I have been a book scrounger.  In those days, I tended to pay a nickle to a quarter for a book.  Today, that equates to a $.50 to perhaps $2.  This is my current price range for book purchases, with few exceptions.

But this fellow's deal was pretty compelling.  He needed a modicum of gas (petrol) in his truck, and a little money to pay his weekly electricity bill for the right to plug his camper into an extension cord.  No sale meant being dark and frigid that night.  He needed $24.  I examined the device.  He had no charging cord.  He promised he would bring it to me.  The book was fully charged.  My guess was, he had it, but would withhold it in the hopes of perhaps getting flush enough to get the E-book back, perhaps at a discount at some future time, if I just depleted the battery and was unable to charge it back up again.  I also noted that the book contained nothing but the built in Dictionary and Owner's Manual.  Not a single purchased book!  Now that was an enigma to me.  I read hundreds of books a year.  Even during the years I was functionally blind, I managed fifty or so.  I asked him why there were no books on it.  I think he saw that he had me on the edge of a deal.  So he cleverly told me what was probably the un-stretched truth.  He had no credit cards, no way of assuring Amazon they would get their payments.  They wouldn't open an account for him.

So I sprang for the $24, went out and scrounged a charging cord for half a buck, called Amazon and set up an account.  Yes, even refugees have credit if they have cultivated the habit of integrity.

But here is the icing on the cake, not to mention the candles!  Amazon has some free books; books for $.99; $1.99 and so on.  Oh sure, you can pay $10 to $20 or more.  But what I had never even thought of was that they would send free samples, often a few chapters of any book they sell.  I guess I have bought twenty or thirty books, and have gotten maybe 800 samples, give or take.  I have reviewed perhaps a dozen or so books which were notably good or outstanding, one or two which were bad or utterly wretched.

To sum up.  Don't lick your fingers when counting money.  Don't lick the stylus to get it to work.  Don't pick your nose without washing your hands (before and after).  Swab the nasal passages with a vegetable oil of your choice to prevent viral infection and to reduce allergic reactions to airborne allergens.  Look to the top of this thread for more details.
Happy health to you all.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: CalamityJane on Wednesday March 26, 2014, 04:12:39 PM
It is very nice to "see" you again!  :)

Jane
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday January 25, 2015, 11:56:36 AM
Seems a pretty serious flu season this year, along with a concomitant measles epidemic.  Once again, I'll be skipping the flu shot.  I'm getting stronger than I have any right to expect.  I have encouraged my wife to get it, but she too feels pretty resistant.  Not easy for me to make an issue of it since the shot this year is not particularly effective.  We do, however, engage in the procedures outlined on this thread with considerable regularity.

Measles is out of place on this thread.  But it is also out of place in the population.  If you are in a country with an outbreak of measles going on, get the shot, particularly if you are young enough not to have had measles. 

I'll leave it at that, since I'm dealing with some routine winter emergencies, and am distracted by my study of the evolution of mitochondria and complexities of liver and kidney function.  All fascinating subjects.

To your good health.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: CalamityJane on Sunday January 25, 2015, 06:14:23 PM
Nice to "see" you again! Thanks for the good post and advice. I did get a flu shot, so keeping my fingers crossed!

Jane
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday April 13, 2015, 04:18:58 AM
Well, Here it is April and the flu season is about at an end.  Earlier I said I wasn't going to get the shot in spite of advancing years.  I didn't get the shot and didn't get the flu.  Now spring has brought the allergy season, according to others around here, but oiling up the nose works pretty well for that as well.

I actually expected to have some unusual problems this year because I have been applying diatomaceous earth (no earth really, just the skeletal remains of diatoms, a fine talc-like substance) to about half an acre of the land immediately around our rustic dwelling.  For the first three years here, we were extremely troubled with ticks, fleas, chiggers, mosquitoes, and smaller bugs leaving no sign but bites, which were perhaps the most numerous of all.

My neighbors virtually all scatter toxic pellets and spray insecticides in substantial amounts without much regard for their own safety, believing wrongly in my opinion, that the bugs provide the greater danger.  I have opted instead to use diatomaceous earth, garlic powder in standing water to kill mosquito larvae in all standing water, and several other herbs and spices.  My results are still preliminary, this being the first season, but we are well into it now.  Bites from all sources seem to be down by as much as 90%.  I am encouraged enough to commend these methods to others.  To your health.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday April 22, 2016, 06:30:22 PM
With the death of Prince at only 57, we are reminded of the seriousness of influenza.  It is my considered and educated opinion that, no matter how easy the procedure, it is unlikely that more than a tiny fraction of the population will do it regularly.  Regrettable, but not much to do about it.  Now that flu season is pretty much behind us, those who are miserable  due to airborne springtime allergens can reduce their distress considerably, utilizing the same procedure.

Now, we are faced with seemingly new threats from emerging diseases like Zika becoming, in a very short time, an incredibly horrible and dangerous crisis.  Early conjecture was that it is only of concern in the first trimester of pregnancy.  We can expect many expert opinions of this sort to fall by the wayside as the crisis spreads and evolves.  My heart goes out to present and future victims of Zika.

I am in the idea business.  A big part of that territory is being wrong.  Last year, I reported some success in reducing bug bites in general.  But my application process, dusting the land with diatoms was not practical.  It was time consuming, labor intensive and wasteful.  One heavy rain and all the effort is washed away.

I could have just gone on the same way.  After all, bites were seriously reduced.  But I was squandering pounds of diatoms, not to mention the labor.  I had a lot more work to do.  Compared to oiling up the nose to prevent viral infection, which after all, only takes a few minutes a day,  the way I was using diatoms took twenty times as long.

This year I changed the technique, beginning as winter waned, well before the last hard freeze.  Instead of applying the diatoms to the land,  I applied the dust to both my skin and to the interior surfaces of my clothing, with extra emphasis to the socks, into which my trouser cuffs are tucked.  Sometimes, I initially prepared my skin with EVOO in the Roman way.  I presume any cooking oil would do just fine.

Disclaimer: The bloody lesions on my arms (that were my reason for coming here in the first place) have been gone now for years.  Others here have much more intractable skin problems.  What I am doing now with diatoms and olive oil, could conceivably cause some complications in your particular skin condition.

My particular health concern was that my lungs have seen better days.  The lower lobe of my right lung is gone, along with a rib I would rather have kept.  Diatoms cannot be applied to the skin in the way that I do it, without a few million particles becoming airborne.  I, of course, wish to minimize inhalation of this dust as much as possible.  So I use the procedure which is the theme of this topic (oiling up the nasal passage to prevent viral infection) because it also filters fine dust.  On top of doing this, I also negatively ionize the air, precipitating out the dust to the nearest positive surface.  To date, I have experienced no noticeable congestion.

That about covers it for now.  Hello to any who may remember me. 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: CalamityJane on Monday April 25, 2016, 04:21:39 AM
Hello, and nice to 'see' you again!

Your posts have always given to pause to think, and this one is no different. The Zika virus worries me for everybody but mostly pregnant woman (although for the life of me I cannot fathom why a pregnant, or pregnant hopeful), would travel to those areas. One bite here anywhere on me produces a very sore, large red welt and swelling to go along with it. Hoping my newly installed screens over my windows will help somewhat.

I've have done the nose coat, so to speak, but have normally used an OTC ointment which seems to be quite effective. Don't need very much.

Very foolishly I went out into my garden (I use that term loosely), but wanted to get some blackberry vines away from things I like, plus ivy, morning glory (no glory there IMO).....the vines were long and quite high, but I cut them into pieces about a foot long or so.....and away from a clematis....While I was at it a thought drifted through the fog that I should have my jeans in my socks.......

A couple of days later, I found some largish bites on my ankles (just 2 or 3), but left leg, had 6 much smaller bites of something just below the knee at the back......not itchy, just there. Plus now some bigger ones on my left thigh........

Something must have flown, crawled up my pant leg, I'm guessing......so here endeth my lesson!

Always good to see a post from you!

Jane  :hi:
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Saturday February 18, 2017, 04:38:44 AM
Hello folks!  We are, once again, close to the peak of flu season.  I have turned 76 so I think hard these days before deciding against the vaccine, in favor of using the prophylaxis outlined in this thread.  (New people might want to go to the top of this thread to get oriented).  last year I came back with some thoughts about Zika, a horrible disease affecting unborn children.  Since my wife is now 80, Zika viral infection was not exactly a pressing issue in our household, in spite of several mosquito species capable of carrying Zika are readily available in the surrounding woods and streams, in all stages of development.  Last year, I spent some effort observing several kinds of larvae, live, under the microscope.  I was in hopes of finding an easy way to kill the larvae.  If there is such a way, I have not yet been able to find it, and currently have no hot new things to try.

I am working with less clients and chess students these days, so even at the peak of flu season, I wouldn't be all that concerned.  But my wife still works with a lot of public, and will not be persuaded to take a few months off, at least until the season is over.  Another factor is that many of the people my wife works with spontaneously hug her.  That, coupled with the fact that she spontaneously licks her fingers when she counts her money, a lifetime habit which is so ingrained that she does not know she does it, even after the dozens of times I point it out to her while her fingers are still damp.  I understand that this season, protection from the shot is about 50% effective.  Not so good, considering that going to the physician or to another source to get the shot also exposes you to other people desiring protection, who may already have the flu, but who may not yet be symptomatic.  No perfect answers.

Sometimes illness is a rude surprise.  We know not from whence it comes, or how serious it could be.  On the evening of the greatest disaster the United States or the world has recently experienced, I, like most, was literally in shocked, deep depression.  Under the circumstances, this was to be expected.  Apparently, a physiological manifestation of my distress was about to distract me from my psychic misery.  In essence, my body was about to add injury to the insult I was already experiencing from the body politic.  And similar sorts of things were happening in various other seemingly reasonable environs on the planet.  But I do not wish to digress.

Many of you may know the years I have spent working on my extremely elevated blood pressure.  In the absence of proper care from the HMO which should be supplying it, my wife and I had no options for care than the Emergency Room of a hospital.  This is the most expensive way one can receive treatment, and is certainly not a good option for refugees of advance age, our sort.  I had succeeded, by my own experimental means, in getting my blood pressure to drop about half-way to where I wanted it to be.  A good start. 

In any case, on the day after what I like to refer to as Brexit times three for America and the rest of the world, I had an explosive urge to dump my solid wastes.  My body suddenly had my entire attention when I turned and saw considerable evidence of both hematochezia andand melena, both simultaneously.  One would not expect to see these two conditions at the same time.  I was bleeding from very high in the G.I. tract, near the stomach, and very near the colon (the other end), at the same time!   How refreshing.  Some other sh*t to hold my attention.  Okay then, an ironically good time for it.

The hemorrhages went on for a couple of weeks as I tried to get the intestines back to health.  A week went by, the two.  I comforted myself that my blood pressure was not likely to kill me now, with both sides in the double-digits.  (Joke). I used a cane in each hand, and planned all my movements carefully.  I instructed my wife what to do should I become unresponsive.  I'm guessing I may have lost a few quarts of blood, but it was over a long period of time.  And I was making new blood deliberately as soon as I saw that I really had to do that.  So maybe I was never more than a quart light, at any given time.

Meanwhile, from about a month and a half before the election, my permanently estranged elder sister informed me that she wanted to see if it was possible to set aside a trumpian tower of bygones of Tolstoyan proportions.  Our dialogues went on by phone and electronically, perhaps forty or so contacts, several of an hour or more duration.  I found it hard to get out of serious mode.  That hurts us all, folks!  Taking things too seriously.  Too personally.  Troubles often come in bunches.  Mirth and joy are worth going after, but they often come singly and may need some tending.  If you can't find it, fake it.

So swab the nose, don't lick your fingers when counting money, wash your hands a lot and keep them clear of the nostrils.  But really discover your happiness.  Be easy with yourself and those in your life.  That could be your best medicine. 
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday August 31, 2017, 03:14:30 AM
Hurricane Harvey poses problems unprecedented in American history.  As this event continues to evolve, it will test the mettle of all of us in the region to get our bearings as best we can.  Let us try for some perspective at this particular early point, while the emergency continues to evolve.  Katrina, the hurricane more than a decade ago, took approximately 1800 human lives.  So far, Harvey has taken perhaps 20.  An ongoing monsoon in Mumbai, India has killed a reported 1200.  How many of us even noticed?  How many of us have an idea of the current number of clearly genocidal wars that are ongoing today?  I'll not dwell on it.  The subject at hand is respiratory infection of various kinds which have the potential to very quickly mutate into pandemics of global magnitude.

It is worthwhile to note, however, that disease prevention is complicated much more in environments where thousands upon thousands are jammed together under Spartan conditions including exposure, privation, and extreme overcrowding of throngs of refugees who have already lost everything they own, and are suffering the existential shock of starting their lives again from scratch.

My wife and I lost our home eight years ago.  Being of advanced age, it was exceedingly difficult to begin again.  Yes, we are unlikely ever to retire.  She, in her eighties, and myself in my late seventies are also unlikely ever to live in a rest home.  The cost is prohibitive and probably will remain so.  My blindness of a few years, nine years ago, is now just a past nightmare which ultimately had a happy ending.  My eyes now both work scintillatingly well, exactly according to my game plan.

So I say this to the current crop of abject refugees where ever in the world you may be; Don't lose heart!  Fear is the mind killer.  And under your emergency circumstances, get some cooking oil somehow, and especially if you are in an overcrowded emergency shelter somewhere, under adverse conditions, swab your nasal passages several times a day with the oil.  Peace be upon you all.

Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Wednesday November 01, 2017, 09:11:09 AM
Computer acting up in storm so this will be short.  H7N9 Avian influenza, newly discovered in 2013 has evolved dangerously.  It is now killing 40% of humans infected in China.  Ferrets, the best human proxy appear to have a considerably higher death rate after aerosol transmission from ferret to ferret, but in terms of the numbers, the sample is small.  This is one to watch and be well prepared for. Along with the prevention presented here, it might be prudent to increase vitamin C intake to four or five grams a day in the absence of negative indicators.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Thursday February 08, 2018, 08:08:17 PM
 A Moderator needed.  Previous post has gigantic blank space at end.  I cannot seem to find an edit button to correct the empty space.  I could swear there used to be an edit button.  Do we now need other assistance to edit a glitch?
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday September 22, 2019, 10:28:56 AM
Haven't made a visit here for a few years.  Last time, I tried to draw attention to the fact that I could not edit for typos (anymore) and couldn't get rid of a huge blank space in one of the most recent posts, which I thought would be confusing to the reader, most of the readers would just drop away.  That does not appear to have happened.  Neither has the gaping blank space in that previous post been corrected or otherwise disappeared.  Never the less, there is good reason to return.  Our skins, and everything contained within them, are in greater danger than ever before, since the Cuban Missile crisis.  We arein the sixth mass extinction event the Earth has experienced, and it really does not look like we have a clue how to stop it.  It may already be to late, but I'm still hoping not.  And I am still looking to find some portion of the answers.  Pretty goofy I suppose, considering the magnitude of what we allface, and our track record so far.

I was a Facebook addict for quite a while.  I loved the evolving pictures of my grandchildren, to tell the truth, but I got rather distant from the father of most of them.  I am sorry to say he had devolved into a Drumpfian Brownshirt of pretty serious proportions.  (Some of you may need a decoder ring or a cryptographer to know for sure what I just said.  With out them, try your favorite search engine  I don't really know how my son, the father is going to turn out, but I hope for the best.  (By the way, if you do not have a favorite search engine, try DuckDuckGo which does not track you with cookies the way most do.  So far, they have done wonders for my privacy, and it is not as if I am a computer geek who knows what I am doing.   

And I had my own blog, but did not get addicted to that.  If it is still there, it is nothing but a closet with an automated newsfeed.  My eldest grandson, whom I have never met, lives most of the time in Taiwan.  We correspond occasionally, but it is not as if we can be free with our thoughts and ideas.  Loose lips still sink ships.  So we mostly exchange pleasantries.  Not all that satisfying.  I expect to meet him one day.
But, meanwhile, he is robust and healthy and resourceful.  That will have to do.

With that preamble out of the way, let us get to the subject of this thread, respiratory distress which can lead to deaths of pandemic proportions.  Those prospects are not abating at all.  They are getting worse!  The newest threat, the vaping of concentrated nicotine products in electronic devices, with flavorants and advertisements designed to sell to children.  I can't speak about the rest of the world, but in the U.S. this is now a crisis.  Our government is currently fibrillating on so many crisis fronts, there are few realistic prospects for solutions.  But I'm bloody well not giving up!
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Monday November 25, 2019, 08:42:25 AM
Back from my trip to California, which took a few weeks.  Quite a saga, actually, but not entirely pertinent to this thread.  As soon as I get caught up with all my undone chores, I'll say more about it in                    Miscellany, which, if memory serves, is in the Let Me Introduce Myself section
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday January 12, 2020, 09:50:35 AM
Some months are left of this years flu epidemic, with high fatalities, or at least much higher than usual here in the states.  For some reason, the reporting nomenclature has changed from what I had gotten used to; H and N, each followed by a digit, such as H3N1.  This year, what is reported in the news is type A and B.  The news is vague and ominous.  The impression is young children are struck particularly hard, with high numbers of fatalities.  At the same time, I see advertisements for a vaccine "designed" with aged people in mind, suggesting that they avail themselves of a "4X" strength vaccine which somehow counteracts the failing immunity that apparently inexorably strikes the old, whether they are infirm or not.  I do not buy into this reasoning at all.

In two particularly dangerous years in which particularly virulent strains seemed to threaten worldwide pandemics, I considered getting the flu shot, and in one instance I actually did do it.  It has now been 36 years since I began using the procedure outlined in this thread.  In that time, I have not had a single episode of influenza of whatever stripe.  In the 43 years prior to this development, I had probably had influenza and/or pneumonia a dozen times or so.  In only one year, 1958, in the Army, did I almost give up the ghost, so to speak.

I advocate that all children get all their childhood immunizations, and that adults use reason and intelligence and health information from reasoned and reasonable sources to sort out their needs.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Sunday January 26, 2020, 02:50:54 AM
This Corona Virus emerging from China should grab our continuous attention!  It can very easily become a Worldwide Pandemic!  Use the method of this thread, twice as much as you have been.  Wash your hands frequently, especially after handling money or people.  Take three grams more daily Vitamin C than you normally do, and stay hydrated.
Title: Re: Prevention of Viral Respiratory Infection; colds, flu, SARS, H5N1, v. pneumonia
Post by: anthropositor on Friday February 21, 2020, 09:52:13 PM
Let us give a little wider scope to the spread of viral diseases on the planet, and our inability to control them effectively and reliably.  Let us examine the role of metaphoric viruses which further make containment of epidemic disease unlikely.  It is induced conditioned fanaticism in its' innumerable forms.  I tend to wish to be comprehensive, in an overview going back 5000 years.  Not at all practical.  Most of us do not want to become PhD's in history or anthropology, including me.  But we do want the good effect of wisdom, for lack of a better word, in governing our lives in a happier, healthier fashion.  We just do not know what we are doing, even when we think we do.  There is just too much going on!

I am going to use some strategic hints, and leave it to you to guess, deduce, or devise your own answers.  We won't, alas, arrive at a consensus, but we may reduce the cacophony of chaos which is our present condition, by some practical increment.  We must try.  We have everything to lose.

In empire, who with his family and retainers, committed enough mayhem to reduce global population of humanity by a fifth?