Here's what happened after I used the soap

[skin77]

I posted a few days ago that Cyclic soap might be working on P.  Yesterday, I used it on my  whole body and actually got some of the spots worse.     I guess it's not a help.  As for Tinactin, I tried it on other spots 2x day.  It made them worse too

I don't know how this antifungi ointment worked for that highschool kid.  My P got cherry red and itchy now so I put some protopic to calm it down.  Actually I used the generic brand of Tinactin which contains the same active ingredient.  Could it be that it was not working because I was not using the exact brand?  Did anyone get benefit from using Tinactin?

[anthropositor]

On a different thread titled: "I think this soap is working" you posted the following;

My mom begged me to try this soap for my psoriasis.  It's called Cyclic Nano silver.  I kind of ignored it because what soap can it do for the problem I have?  After 2 weeks of dragging my heels, I used it on my face and the back of my hands tonight.  After some tingling sensation, I washed it off and some risen patches of psoriasis on my face seemed to be flattened and less reddened.  I'm going to try this product for a few days to see if it's beneficial.  So far after the first try, it seems to be effective.  I'm going to post the feedback on this soon.  This particular soap is made up of pure silver in nano size which makes it able to permeate into the pores and clean out bacteria and fungi.  It is supposed to be highly effective on acne and eczema skin.

I also tried tinactin (anti fungi ointment) on this one red spot after I read some old post by some high school student who tried it and saw big improvement.  It has been only two days for me and I tell ya, IT DOES WORK.  The red spot had become more like a flesh color and flattened the skin by 30%.  I'm going to be a guinea pig myself and try it out further on other spots, too.  I hope it is not just a fluke.  In the meantime I'll keep you posted on this.   (End quote.)

If these two had been on the same thread that quote could have been inserted in its' own little box with a click or two, instead of copying and pasting as I have just done (and in the process, losing the first four paragraphs that I had already written in my response before the cutting and pasting.)

Other readers too have to go back and switch threads just to find out what you are talking about.  Most won't do so.

Be that as it may, let us look at the message.  In your first line you are in effect advertising a product called Cyclic Nano Silver, a very, very expensive product in very pretty containers.  You set off my spammer alarm system with the blue strobe lights and the disorienting sirens first invented by the Nazi's long before you were born.  But reading on, I realized it was a false alarm.  I do not believe you are a spammer.

You are just a fellow who doesn't realize when you have said something in a misleading way.  Now here is the comment on this thread, inserted with a single click:

I posted a few days ago that Cyclic soap might be working on P.  Yesterday, I used it on my  whole body and actually got some of the spots worse.     I guess it's not a help.  As for Tinactin, I tried it on other spots 2x day.  It made them worse too

I don't know how this antifungi ointment worked for that highschool kid.  My P got cherry red and itchy now so I put some protopic to calm it down.  Actually I used the generic brand of Tinactin which contains the same active ingredient.  Could it be that it was not working because I was not using the exact brand?  Did anyone get benefit from using Tinactin?

See the difference?  Okay, so now we can sum up the informational value of both posts efficiently.

You obtained a very, very expensive product and applied it for two days concluding that "IT DOES WORK."  (But it is hard to really know if you are talking about the subject of your post or the fungicide Tinactin with this comment.)  Your second post retracts your first assessment of the Nano stuff.  But then you say you put on some protopic "to calm it down."  Perhaps you are unaware of the heated controversy surrounding this third product.

In any case, you have now applied THREE different potentially dangerous products TO your skin, thinking you were doing some things FOR your skin.  And since you have said nothing about your previous experiments or visits to a doctor, there is no way of knowing if you have experimented with hormonal, steroidal or antibiotic creams.  My guess is that you have.  I don't even know your gender, age, continent of residence, or any of the other possibly important details of your life.

I strongly advise you to learn as much as you can about your skin and general health and to stop experimenting until you have a much better understanding of exactly what you are doing.  I extend this advice to the hordes of others who are pretty much doing the same sorts of things you are, with as little real thought.  You can bet I will be getting some Email about what a (expletive deleted) I am, and Do I have to be so harsh?

So let me apologize for my frankness and give you a big genderless hug and let you know that I truly would like it if things worked out for you.

[skin77]

Sorry that I didn't start off by introducing myself.  I'm 36 yr. old female suffering guttate P. covering almost 80% of my body.  My P. started with a bad flu & a severe sore throat which I hadn't had for about 10 years.  I have tried accupuncture, herb med., sun bath, even urine therapy (just 2 tries and couldn't handle anymore, yuk!) internally and externally with no avail.  But I'm going to try the long-term urine therapy as a very last resort, for it somewhat helps greatly with autoimmune disease.   Now, I'm taking chlorella, flax seed oil, evening primrose, MSM/Chondroitim, calcium with Vit.D, aloe vera juice, Vit. C, Oregano oil, Milk Thistle, Colostrum, Probiotic, nitric oxide, and liquid mineral.  I just started taking anit-candida capsules for better intestine.  I did a liver flushing last week, and I'm going for another one in two weeks.  Right now, I just received a free sample of champori this morning.  Hopefully, all this detox method with immunity boosting concoction and a external treatment work synergically to put P into remission.  I sincerely wish good luck to all of you.     

[anthropositor]

Thank you for this update dear.  Sorry I was a little snippy with you.  I will give this additional information some thought.
Anthro

[AndyBruceWillis]

Immune boosting may not be the best thing for P. One theory i have read is P is a symptom of an overactive immune response. Body thinks your skin is injured so produces more skin cells to repair the bogus injury . Dunno if its right but sounds plausible. I know if i get a cut or normal injury, it heals so fast .

You Got PM too Skin

[anthropositor]

Andy makes an excellent point.  When one has an intractable problem it can be very tempting just to try everything one can think of which might help.  But some of those things may make matters worse. 

In your situation, Guttate Psoriasis could easily have occurred and spread because your immune system is over-reacting to some as yet unknown stimulus.  If that is the case, the things you are doing to strengthen your immune system could be making matters worse.

I see nothing in your earlier posts that indicate a history of persistant yeast infections.  Yet you are doing things to fight Candida.

   Now, I'm taking chlorella, flax seed oil, evening primrose, MSM/Chondroitim, calcium with Vit.D, aloe vera juice, Vit. C, Oregano oil, Milk Thistle, Colostrum, Probiotic, nitric oxide, and liquid mineral.       

While I can't say anthing definitive about the liquid mineral since there are so many of them out there, some of them could indeed be harmful if taken to excess, particularly if they contain colloidal heavy metals.  The rest of this list seems to have low potential for harm if used wisely.

If you have not had previous clinical problems with your liver like hepatitis or cirrhosis perhaps the rationale for "flushing" the liver should be reviewed further.

The acupunture, the herbal remedies, the Champori have low potential for harm.  Not no potential.  Use them carefully.

You have said nothing about your nutrition or whether you have EVER been on extended exposure to oral antibiotics.  If you have, it is not out of the question that you could have developed a complication like leaky bowel syndrome or a hypersensitivity to gluten which could be contributing to your difficulty.

Drinking your urine is unlikely to improve your condition except under certain survival circumstances that you are unlikely to ever experience.  If you want to pee on your skin once in a while, I doubt it will hurt you.  You might want to rinse off before a social engagement.

It IS worthwhile to examine your urine with some frequency, looking for certain abnormalities.  If there is enough interest from others, I will discuss this matter further, either here or on my blog.

Get well soon dear.
Anthro

[anthropositor]

There is an American TV hospital drama named House with an extremely unorthodox and perhaps somewhat abrasive doctor that the series was named after.  Since one of my central interests in life is not home improvement, I might not ever have watched this show, had someone not pointed out certain... characteristics which I apparently have in common with the protagonist.

My original intent in viewing the show was to show why this was not true.  I was unable to do so.  About the only intrinsic difference I was able to find is that House is a doctor and therefore had extensive medical training which enhanced his skills at being a (expletive deleted).  I on the other hand am entirely self-taught. 

I have been attempting to learn more diplomacy and politics (the art of lying with a straight face).  I fear I'm failing miserably.

[skin77]

Hello
It seems like I'm taking some immune boosting supplements like youguys pointed out, so I decided to take out Colostrum and Nitric Oxide.  By the way, beaware, do not take nitric oxide or any supplement or cream that would contain nictric oxide.  I did some research on internet and found out that  scientisis discovered psoriasis lesion producing more NO (Nitric Oxide) than normal cells.  They suspect NO may be related to the onset of psoriasis, but then again they need to investigate more on this.  However, it is wise to stay away from NO supplement.     

[Uncle Matt]

nitric oxide.

They sell this stuff in some shape or form?

Gah!!

I work in the medical gas industry (at least, this week anyway), and even we (corporate we, as in the UK market supposed leaders) steer well clear of this. It is normally used as a pulmanory vasodilator, or in my terms, it's a bit poisonous, so it makes your lungs work harder, and this helps with oxygen intake. It is also used on "near the end" patients to help improve their colour.

We don't do it, because EVERYTHING has to be high grade stainless steel, pipes, cylinders, regulators, outlets, valves, pressure switches.

It combines with oxygen to form Nitrogen Dioxide (I think - Major poison) (2NO + O₂ = 2NO₂), and combines with air to produce Nitric Acid (4NO + 3O₂ + 2H₂O = 4HNO₃). It reacts with most metals to produce wierd substances, and god knows what else it does..

Gah!!!!!

Matt

[itchychick]

There is an American TV hospital drama named House with an extremely unorthodox and perhaps somewhat abrasive doctor that the series was named after.  Since one of my central interests in life is not home improvement, I might not ever have watched this show, had someone not pointed out certain... characteristics which I apparently have in common with the protagonist.

My original intent in viewing the show was to show why this was not true.  I was unable to do so.  About the only intrinsic difference I was able to find is that House is a doctor and therefore had extensive medical training which enhanced his skills at being a (expletive deleted).  I on the other hand am entirely self-taught. 

I have been attempting to learn more diplomacy and politics (the art of lying with a straight face).  I fear I'm failing miserably.

Actually Anthro, I've thought about the similarities between you and Dr House, too!

[bunnie]

Hi Skin77. The best thing to do Skin77 is to learn the facts about the immune system and how it works.See the autoimmune articles thread.
Psoriasis is a genetic, hereditary, autoimmune disease.
Autoimmune disease is not due to an overactive, underactive, or an imbalance of the immune system, but by the production (at the cellular or molecular level )of an abnormal antibody to auto antigens, or self proteins.Autoimmune response is of self, by self, immune response is of external factors. Abnormal antibodies  cause autoimmune disease, and they are known as autoantibodies.This is what an Autoimmune disease is.auto=(greek for self).
It is not as yet fully understood why autoimmune disease occurs in some people. It does happen in predisposed people and there is no cure, some people however do experience remission periods. This abnormality is in your genetic programming, and nothing can prevent or stop it. No food, detox, drinking Urine- Disgusting! can alter it. This is medical fact.
In an under active immune system there are 3 main groups.
1)aquired(immune deficiency syndrome) the most well known being aids and is caused by the human immunodeficiency virus which destroys T Lymphocytes (Hiv).
2)Primary immune deficiency disorders the most common being Hypogammaglobulinaneamia, a genetic form of immunodeficiency whereby Igg antibodies are not produced sufficiently. This can also be an Iga antibody, as a member on here can attest too.
3) severe combined immune deficiency, is the worst, where none of the key immune cells are present and children have to live in a bubble.
Under this umbrella also come, leukaemia and the processes and problems of organ transplants.

An Overactive immune system is caused by allergic conditions, and the immune response produces large numbers of immune cells to harmless invaders, such as pollen fur and dust, which set off hayfever asthma etc. Allergies are treated with drugs, because it is far more difficult (nigh on impossible in some cases)to correct the underlying abnormality of the immune system, where the abnormality (being the allergy or disease) is like a finger print within ones original programming. (Whether genetic or not)

[Uncle Matt]

There is an American TV hospital drama named House with an extremely unorthodox and perhaps somewhat abrasive doctor that the series was named after.  Since one of my central interests in life is not home improvement, I might not ever have watched this show, had someone not pointed out certain... characteristics which I apparently have in common with the protagonist.

My original intent in viewing the show was to show why this was not true.  I was unable to do so.  About the only intrinsic difference I was able to find is that House is a doctor and therefore had extensive medical training which enhanced his skills at being a (expletive deleted).  I on the other hand am entirely self-taught. 

I have been attempting to learn more diplomacy and politics (the art of lying with a straight face).  I fear I'm failing miserably.

Actually Anthro, I've thought about the similarities between you and Dr House, too!

Me three, although, I'd never mention it without actually meeting Mr. Positor, of course. To label someone without meeting them wouldn't be right (at least in my mind).

Matt

[anthropositor]

Anthro will do Matt