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LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« on: Wednesday March 07, 2007, 02:45:24 AM »
Has any one had any luck with lowering cholesteral with natural products or herbs???  My husband needs  to lower cholesteral but cannot take a strong medicine  due to high liver enzymes  so I was thinking about going to the natural food store and buying  something natural  for that .  I ndians use garlic capsules, but not many have had very good luck  ( of the tribe that I am associated with ) I think its worth a try , just wondering what I should get... ::)
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday March 07, 2007, 02:54:11 AM »
I'm certainly no expert on this GMAW, but I think that exercise is one of the best ways to lower cholesterol, and more than that, raising "good cholesterol" levels.  My uncle has managed to come off cholesterol medication with a combination of exercise and careful diet.  I'm not sure about supplements, but perhaps another member might have good information.
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday March 07, 2007, 03:10:26 AM »
  Thanks Itchy, thats what the dr. recommended  lots of exercise and good healthy diet,  My husband excercises faithfully and is now on a good diet,  (Diet has not been so healthy in the last past months, ) excercise and diet just  is not working as good as we expected.  has lowered some but not as good as dr. wants it to .  The next step is a liver specialist , to see why enzymes are so high. maybe when we find out whats going on there we can go from there , the dr. thinks maybe the cholesteral is not comming down due to the fact that the liver produces some cholesteral itself....but in the mean time I think we will try some sort of natural method, just dont know what, even though I work in the medical field  I  think sometimes that natural is better for us than a lot of the meds. drs. are giving patience theese days .
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday March 07, 2007, 03:21:13 AM »
Hi Gmaw, I have found that diet works for me as i used to have high cholesterol, but have lowered it that way. I have a friend who sounds like your husband and in spite of being a long term exerciser, being a healthy body weight (even underweight) and being on a good diet for his whole life, still has high cholesterol. He is in his early 50s. Last I spoke to him about it, he was being persuaded by his doc to take medication.

To find out what is good in the natural line, I would ask at your closest health store for advice. Maybe ask at a few first and do a google search as well...

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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday March 07, 2007, 01:11:36 PM »
Vitamin C along with  Lysine and Proline is supposed to help normalize cholesterol levels. http://www.vitamincfoundation.org/statin.htm

But, first off, the whole cholesterol/heart disease link is very weak.
http://www.ravnskov.nu/cholesterol.htm

People I know who have started statin drugs actually feel worse, not better taking statins, and now we find out that there are reasons why -
http://www.medicalconsumers.org/pages/cholesterol_skeptics.html

I don't have time to write more, but here are more links on the cholesterol myth.
http://www.thincs.org/links.htm
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday March 07, 2007, 01:33:57 PM »
Hi, GMAW. I'm sorry that your husband is suffering from high cholesterol.

I tend to believe (as you obviously do) that treating the problem with a healthy diet and exercise and natural supplements is preferable to treating the symptoms with medication. That's not to say that medicines don't have their place, but they can't replace a healthy lifestyle.

It sounds like he is trying to do the right thing, so I would encourage him to stick with the exercise and healthy diet, but he might also try adding certain foods to his diet that have been shown to be beneficial in reducing LDL cholesterol. Foods like oatmeal, walnuts, avacado, fish and many others fall into this category. It certainly couldn't hurt.  :)
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #6 on: Sunday May 06, 2007, 06:36:50 PM »
My mother has found a product that has lowered her cholesterol.  It is based off of natural ingredients and is cheaper than traditional medications.  Due to the terms and services, I am not aloud to advertise on here, but if you want more information just email me and I will talk further with you. 

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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #7 on: Sunday May 06, 2007, 09:59:59 PM »
I am of the opinion that there may have been a widespread "rush to judgement" with regard to cholesterol on the part of the medical community.  It is true that cholesterol plaque seems to play a significant role in cardiovascular disease leading to strokes and heart attacks.  What is less obvious is the role that serum levels of cholesterol is playing in the problem. 

There may be other factors which are the true initiators of vascular disease which remain hidden simply because we have concluded that cholesterol was the central issue and are not looking beyond that.

Certainly it is prudent to read the various links offered and to carefully balance the OPINIONS given in the light of your other knowledge.  Some things to bear in mind.  Cholesterol is necessary to the function of the human body.  You can't live without it.

I could give you countless examples of rushes to judgement by the medical community.  I'll select one.

Back in the 1850's London was the biggest city on the planet.  Even so, it had a population of only two and a half million.  By todays standards that is not a lot.  In those days about 3% of the world population of perhaps a billion people lived in cities.  Today, 50% of a world population of more than six Billion live in cities. 

But considering that in those days many people had livestock like pigs and chickens and even cattle in their yards and houses, and there was no effective way of getting rid of even the human sewage that was generated, and that much of travel was via horseback or horse drawn carriage, the air in most sections of the city was from our frame of reference in affluent societies, beyond description.

There was a cholera epidemic.  The prevailing medical perspective was that it was caused by the miasma.  That is to say, it was caused by the rotten air.  It seemed pretty obvious.  Except it wasn't true.  A brilliant fellow named Snow came along and ultimately proved beyond a doubt that it was water contamination emanating from one particular water source, a pump that had been contaminated.  He proved it even though he could not identify the organism.

Now, more than a century and a half later, we know a great deal more than we knew then.  Yet we still seem incredibly... unaware of how little we actually do know.  Our folly is even today, much greater than our wisdom.

So eat a big bowl of oatmeal, study as best you can, and think.  Think hard.
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #8 on: Monday May 07, 2007, 02:27:53 AM »
Wow, Anthro. That's about what I do anyway, and it works for me. Even my doctor, while he was muttering things about getting me on medicine, admitted that high cholesterol that comes from families (like mine) is "fluffier" and contributes less to heart attacks and strokes. I do eat my oatmeal, though. :) With yogurt.

Although I really need to get back into a walking routine... not just for my cholestrol, but for my overall health.
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday May 09, 2007, 01:52:23 AM »
I was put on cholesterol pills last year, my level was 7.8 , but he said that I was at high risk. I do not know the name of the medication off hand, it's in the kitchen and i am in the bedroom..lol Heaven forbid i walk out and check..I do know that it is 20mg. Anyhow, i have noticed in this thread that someone mentioned that their relative was able to come of the meds, my doctor informed me that once you start the meds you are on it the rest of your life, I am only 30 , if there is a way to come off them i would like to. So is it really possible to stop them?
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #10 on: Monday June 04, 2007, 06:52:51 PM »
Generally the word virgin, when it comes to oils, refers to the first pressing.  I do not know how important that is when it comes to coconut oil.  I doubt that I would pay 3 or 4 times as much for it.  I use coconut oil in my frying and sometimes rub it on my skin.  I have also mixed it with butter and other seasonings for popcorn.  I have found no downside using coconut oil in this way.  I have detected no difference between "virgin" coconut oil and the far cheaper X-rated oil.

I have not been working on reducing my cholesteral, and frankly do not know what my cholesteral levels are, or the ratios between them.  I really believe that there has been a "rush to judgment" in this area.  I further believe that the use of pharmaceuticals as a first resort in controlling blood pressure is another area in which allopathic doctors have gone off the deep end.

It is true that I am just short of two years into recovery from a stroke.  I have recovered most of my faculties.  We must, of course attribute this entirely to luck, since I have not been attended by a physician for the stroke.

In more than twenty years, the only physician visits I have had were an optometrist and an ophthalmological surgeon (one visit each).  I have not yet been satisfied that these visits were as fruitful as they could have been.

I have however, with regard to the circulatory system, paid close attention to the resting blood pressure.  In the time since my stroke I have had one instance of 191/110 mm hg and perhaps two dozen instances of systolic in excess of 150 and diastolic in excess of 90.  These have gotten my careful attention.

I have reduced my caffiene intake by at least half.  I have increased my potassium intake substantially by eating more fruits and vegetables and by using potassium chloride in my cooking and taking potassium gluconate tablets several times per day.  At the same time, I have reduced conventional salt (sodium chloride) consumption sharply.

People who have any question about the operational status of their kidneys, or who think that giving the amount of a medication they are taking, omitting the KIND of medicine it is, should NOT attempt gross changes in the electrolyte balance without the supervision of a medical practitioner who knows what he is doing.

That disclaimer having been said,  my resting blood pressure was finally down to 117/77 mm hg yesterday.  Tonight I give my weekly group chess lessons.  I anticipate that after five hours of nonstop rapid chess play, the figures will go up into the high 120's or even 130's over the high 80's, and that a drop will occur over the next 24 hours back to my target figures.
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #11 on: Monday June 04, 2007, 08:28:40 PM »
  Well cholesteral is down lower than it has been in a while, but still not to the perfect range . I t is hard to stay on a strict diet, but bless his heart he does.I have heard several people tell me that cocoanut oil is good for lowering cholesteral, but we dont use any oil  .. to much fat content,  we eat either baked , broiled or grilled  meat. It is harder for him than myself, because he is a  attorney that travels alot , but he sticks to his diet, and goes to the gym regularly, when out of town he tries to get a hotel that has a gym in it , I try to follow the same diet but I have to be honest, when I am out I will cheat some times, I will eat a big piece of pecan pie , or a bowl of sherbert, ... I am sick of strawberry  shortcake....thanks for the replies ,it really helps to hear different opinions


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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday June 05, 2007, 10:22:05 AM »
Well certainly the lowering of cholesteral is mainstream goal of allopathic medicine as it is currently practiced. 

Do I take it correctly GMAW that your husband has not been given any statin drugs and is dealing with cholesteral reduction by dietary means and exercise alone?  If so, the puzzle is what is causing the elevations in the liver enzymes.  No previous history of liver problems or use of megadoses of niacin?

As for me, I'm going to continue to work the potassium ratio and keep a close eye on kidney function as I increase the ratio.  Of course my chief concern is to bring down the blood pressure, but there may be a variety of other benefits to increasing the potassium while reducing sodium.

I have to wonder too, about the possible benefits of both reducing cholesteral in the diet and increasing potassium at the same time. 
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday June 06, 2007, 03:21:31 AM »
 Hi  anthro, my husband was given 3 different statins , and each one of them raised the liver enzymes to a high level. he is on a cholestermine powder that  he mixes with juice  twice a day, ... boy he hates that ... lol..this medication dont seem to raise the enzymes quite so high ,  and it works in the liver instead of the gut. He was sent to a gastroenterologist    two weeks ago,  he is monitoring the levels, been checked out for chirosis, liver diseases , and hepatitis, cant find out the cause yet,   but was told that no matter what he did for cholesteral that it would probably be elevated  due to hereditary , we are hoping to break the cycle,  He has been recommended highly to take the over the counter med. called  cholesteroff .. I think is how it is spelled,  got a good idea to try a natural product that someone on here emailed me about . sounds wonderful,  thanks for the input on a cholesteral saga.   lol.. :D
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday June 06, 2007, 05:02:39 PM »
Cholest-Off is a collection of plant stanols and sterols.  In terms of safety it poses far less risks than the pharmaceutical statins.  I do not believe that for most people the statins are well advised.  Dietary approaches should come first.
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Re: LOWERING CHOLESTERAL
« Reply #15 on: Saturday September 25, 2010, 12:20:22 PM »
Nice posts, if we are maintaining proper diet, we can reduce cholesteral.Also i heard that gourd juice also helps to reduce cholesteral.