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« Reply #20 on: Thursday December 07, 2006, 11:42:42 PM »

I'm with you there Bunnie and Roni! There's nothing like the look, feel and smell of a steam engine - in fact I would go as far as to say that it's the closest Mankind has got to creating life itself... I used to visit a scrapyard in South Wales where there were over 200 steam locos rusting quietly away -and that was quite emotional too - it was more like a graveyard. The good news is that nearly all of them were saved and many have been restored - in fact the loco 92212 in my pictures above was one of them...

There's a particular series of films on YouTube that I like watching again and again - some chaps in America are chasing a steam special across Kansas in a car - the hooter (you can't really call it a whistle - it sounds like it was borrowed from the Queen Mary  Cool ) is something that needs to be heard to be believed. The engine is MASSIVE  - Union Pacific 'Challenger' #3985 has a 4-6-6-4 wheel configuration - this means two sets of 6 driving wheels - it actually looks like two locos sharing the same boiler!

It's currently the largest steam locomotive in the world operating on the main line (although there are some in museums that are even bigger!!)

Do watch the video and then tell me if you haven't been moved by this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjraJs2Vtko

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday December 07, 2006, 11:48:26 PM »

Holy Hell !!!!!  I wanna drive it  Grin
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« Reply #22 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 12:09:38 AM »

Wow! I enjoyed that! Some Chuff Chuff that!!
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« Reply #23 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 12:50:06 PM »

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Holy Hell !!!!!  I wanna drive it  Grin

I don't know about the US, Ryan, but in Poland you can - and on the main line too - it's called the Wolsztyn Experience

From the website http://www.steam-training.com/wex-top-d.htm:

"This is an unparalleled experience. Students actually experience on-the-job training under master "machinists" (engineers and firemen) in a scheduled rail environment. This is not a preserved railway. It is scheduled mainline service and you spend the majority of your time on the engine sitting in the right-hand seat under the careful guidance of the engineer. "

Cost is about $1200US for a week's experience. If you haven't done any steam locomotive driving before, you start on a freight only branchline - but after an initial briefing it seems all the training is carried out at the throttle. You then progress and get to drive scheduled passenger trains on the Polish main line (!) And it's not just the chaps who get to play Casey Jones - Bunnie and Roni would also be most welcome I'm sure!

here's a ;link to the sort of motive power you get to play with:


Me? - I'm saving like crazy as the scheme is only guaranteed for 2007.... anyone know of some successful 'make money quick' schemes?  Grin
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« Reply #24 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 01:41:54 PM »

That was cool!  I'm not so sure I'd want to be a passenger if a newbie was driving though... Roll Eyes Wink
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« Reply #25 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 01:45:57 PM »

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Well, andyb, there's always the oldest profession in the book, if you know what I mean  Wink j/k

sorry, that wasn't very family friendly, was it? Laughing Out Loud
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« Reply #26 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 01:47:06 PM »

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I'm not so sure I'd want to be a passenger if a newbie was driving though...

Laughing Out Loud Good point, itchychick!
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« Reply #27 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 02:42:28 PM »

I was going to say " standing on street corners!" but soccrgirl beat me to it!
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« Reply #28 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 02:54:04 PM »

I guess great minds really do think alike, Bunnie  Wink !
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« Reply #29 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 03:42:22 PM »

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I was going to say " standing on street corners!" but soccrgirl beat me to it!

You guys are terrible  Spank@soccrgirl Spank@bunnie Spank@anyone else thinking along this line...
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« Reply #30 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 03:54:22 PM »

Andy, just as a matter of interest , (please excuse my ignorance) on the first picture of an engine, is that a Welsh Dragon with the Welsh -Queens Coronet , -Logo ? What does it represent? Does the engine have a name or just the number? (Don't say IVOR!!)
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« Reply #31 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 04:13:10 PM »

I'll take my spanking like a man... er, woman....I deserve it.

Just couldn't resist, though   Grin
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« Reply #32 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 09:22:56 PM »

Andy, just as a matter of interest , (please excuse my ignorance) on the first picture of an engine, is that a Welsh Dragon with the Welsh -Queens Coronet , -Logo ? What does it represent? Does the engine have a name or just the number? (Don't say IVOR!!)

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Sorry bunnie - not the Welsh dragon - this is actually the badge of British Railways which came into being in 1948 with the nationalisation of the former railway companies in the UK (the Great Western, the Southern Railway, the London and North Eastern, etc). The badge you're referring to is actually this one:



It shows the British Lion holding a steam locomotive wheel in it's paws, while sat in a crown or coronet (note that this appears to be made up of the national emblems of England (the Tudor Rose and Oak Leaf), Wales (the Leek) and Scotland (the Thistle). It's supposed to be quite a proud lion (with a blue tongue?) but the badge was more usually referred to (especially by railway staff) as 'The Ferret and Dartboard' !

A bit more history if you're interested: The locomotive 92212 is a member of the BR Standard 9F class - 9 being the power classification (in this case actually the most powerful) and 'F' meaning freight. 'Standard' means it was one of the classes of locos introduced as part of the British Railways modernisation plan in 1955 - the idea being to take all the best designs from the former railway companies and produce a fleet of locomotives that utilised the best elements.

In fact the modernisation plan only lasted 5 years as far as steam was concerned. The last steam locomotive to be built for British Railways was No 92220 in 1960. This was also a 9F and, because it was built at the former Great Western Railway works at Swindon and was such a landmark engine, it was painted in the Great Western style of express passenger Brunswick Green lined out in orange and black pinstripe (rather than freight loco black as 92212), given a copper-capped chimney also in the Great Western tradition, and named 'Evening Star'.

There's a short article on 'Evening Star' on wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BR_standard_class_9F_92220_Evening_Star#_note-NRM including a fine study by photographer Dave Cooper:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:92220_Evening_Star_%28Dave_Cooper%29.jpg

Regular steam finished on British Railways only 8 years later in 1968 and most of the remaining steam locomotives were scrapped in rather indecent haste.

Apart from those that were sent to Barry Scrapyard in South Wales where scrapping of wagons took priority - the engines were just parked up in sidings awaiting their fate - and that's where I used to go with my brother on a sort of pilgrimage - if there's any interest I'll post some photos.

92212 was one of those that ended up at Barry with over 200 others of many types. Built in 1959, withdrawn only a few years later and then languishing in the scrapyard until funds were raised to purchase and restore her - she moved again under her own steam in 1996. She doesn't have a name so far as I'm aware.

The 9Fs, although designed as freight engines, and having relatively small wheels actually turned out to be the best of the new standard class engines and were found to be capable of speeds up to 90 mph(!). They were used as relief engines on summer passenger expresses (not having train heating eqipment they couldn't be used in the colder months) and very much liked by their crews. Because they have 10 driving wheels this spreads the weight of the loco and so can be used on branch lines built for lighter axleloads than the main line - this of course includes most of the heritage/preserved railways in th UK - so they are really useful engines. Roni might be interested to note that these were much used to haul the heavy iron ore hopper trains up the steeply graded line from Tyne Dock to the steel works at Consett.

Happiliy, nine of these engines have been preserved - including 'Evening Star' which can be seen at the National Railway Museum in York.  'Murdoch the Heavy Goods Engine' in the Thomas the Tank stories is a 9F.

hope you find this interesting?

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« Reply #33 on: Friday December 08, 2006, 11:34:14 PM »

Indeed I do Andyb , thank you!
 I was born and brought up in the North East too, and used often to get off the bus at Consett (red dust everywhere) to walk to Edmundbyers Youth hostel). I have been to The York Rail Museum twice , great place! When I first lived over here a steam train ran from Penrith to the coast down to Barrow? It really was a fabulous run, right under Blencathra.  Beeching closed the line of course and it is now part of the  C2C cycle route. It was a huge mistake to close this line here in Cumbria though with the amount of tourism we have.
You didn't say if you had been on the Carlisle Settle Railway?
I see that is the Lion Rampant, now you have put it up close and the coronet too. I love all the history connected to everything really! When I was little, (gosh! many moons ago!) I remember going on the Flying Scotsman , and my mother making a big thing about us going on THAT train. Enjoyed the links too Andy Thanks for that!
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« Reply #34 on: Saturday December 09, 2006, 09:28:21 AM »

O crap they would let me drive lol
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« Reply #35 on: Saturday December 09, 2006, 11:03:55 AM »

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was a huge mistake to close this line here in Cumbria though with the amount of tourism we have.

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Doooh! I've just realised you live near the Lake District and the Cumbrian Mountains, bunnie double Doooh!

You'll have the Lakeside & Hatherthwaite steam railway and also the Ravenglass and Eskdale steam railway (15" gauge I think) not too far from you. Have you been able to visit either? I also believe there's a group trying to run steam trains on the line from Appleby to Warcop (I trained on the battle training area nearby when I was in the Territorial Army many many years ago...)


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You didn't say if you had been on the Carlisle Settle Railway?

sorry! I was getting too emotional about 9Fs ! Yes, I have - twice. A fantastic juorney both times and thoroughly recommended to anyone who likes trains, or scenery or the unbeatable combination of both! Or the even more unbeatable (I assert that this is possible   Grin ) combination of steam-hauled trains and wonderful scenery!!!  Cool

the first time I went was from my home town of Bristol on what was described as a 'Mystery Tour" - this was diesel-hauled but still enjoyable. The second time we went from Cambridge with the local Railway Society and a steam locomotive was put on at York for the journey to Carlisle. The loco was former LNER A4 class pacific No 7 "Sir Nigel Gresley"

* andyb reverts to anorak mode to explain for those that haven't gone to sleep yet - LNER = London and North Eastern Railway (one of those nationalised into British Railways in 1947), A4 class - The 'A' stands for the wheel arrangement of the loco as does 'Pacific' - in this case it means 4-6-2 ie 4 leading wheels, 6 driving wheels, and 2 trailing wheels under the engine (you don't count the wheels on the tender. '4' means it was the fourth class in the series of 4-6-2 locos on the LNER (example: Flying Scotsman is an 'A3'; 'Blue Peter' is an 'A2', and 'Tornado' the brand new loco they're building from scratch in Darlington at the mo is a replica of an 'A1'). "Sir Nigel Gresley" was the Chief Mechanical Engineer of the LNER and designer of the A4s and many other classic engines. Another A4 engine 'Mallard' set and still holds the world steam locomotive speed record of 126mph.

Back to normal: needless to say we had a wonderful time!

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« Reply #36 on: Saturday December 09, 2006, 01:13:53 PM »

Hi Andy I've printed that red paragraph off to get my head round it a bit better. I am sure I have been on a steam train called the Mallard?
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You'll have the Lakeside & Hatherthwaite steam railway and also the Ravenglass and Eskdale steam railway (15" gauge I think) not too far from you.

Practically on my doorstep Andy! Even used to take my Labradors on these trips! Been on the Eskdale one literally hundreds of times! In my YHA days I remember too a line that ran through Westerdale in Yorkshire to Whitby, that was a nice run too.
I have also been on the scenic train that runs from Mallaig in Scotland down to... gosh! I can't remember if it went down the west coast or went to Inverness. Although I seem to remember it was a good long run. I learned too on that trip that there is a really old train that is reminiscent of the Orient Express that runs right round the top of Scotland from the West to the East. For some reason we didn't go on it, maybe because of the time involved in taking it.
Funny you should live in Bristol, because after many years as a Warden I went to live in Bristol and was a nurse at the Hortham mental Hosp. at Almondsbury. Lived in Bristol 3 years,at  Bishopston.  and used to see the then new Concorde being pulled onto the runway at Filton.
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« Reply #37 on: Saturday December 09, 2006, 01:20:44 PM »

PS> Forgot to mention too that there used to be a 15" gauge (I think it was, very narrow anyway) little train used to pull ore across the SOLWAY FIRTH to Annan or near there, and you can still see the remains of the bridge that carried this track over the sea at its narrowest point . If i remember it is near Port Carlisle, I would have to try and find the booklet i have somewhere to be sure.The remains of the bridge are on the other side too. I have been and seen this on both sides of the Solway , but can't be 100% sure it was Port Carlisle, very very near though!
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« Reply #38 on: Saturday December 09, 2006, 03:52:07 PM »

We holiday'd up there, bunnie.  What a beautiful part of the world you live in....  (but unfortunately, we didn't take any train rides!)
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« Reply #39 on: Saturday December 09, 2006, 04:06:52 PM »

My husband and I owned a hotel here, 24 bedrooms ,but after we divorced I opened up our home as a Guest house which I had to give up after Many years due to my health. I had 6 letting double rooms.
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