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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #40 on: Thursday September 07, 2006, 09:29:59 AM »
im from england suffer with rashes to skins hig-hly sensitive got it on face neck chest

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« Reply #41 on: Friday September 08, 2006, 02:41:08 AM »
Sounds like Seb Eczema to me! Did you say you used a lot of steroids to treat it previously? I have found since using all sorts of topical treatments including steroids that my face is hyper-sensitive now to many things.

If your in England, like me, you should goto your GP and ask to be referred to a Dermatoligist. If your not responding to steriod treatment then you should be able to push them in the direction of something called Tacrolimus Ointment or Protopic, this will almost certainly improve your condition.

www.protopic.com has a lot of information about the ointment if you want to read up on it.

Like I also said in my reply to your other thread, stop using moisturisers, as in my opinion based on self experience, research and fact from several specialists, you will just make it worse. Its poor advice in my opinion to advise someone with Seb Eczema to use moisturiser, as Seb Eczema is a condition which is caused by an oily environment allowing a yeast to thrive and play havock with our immune system. Perhaps a simple way of explaining it, but certainly to the point.

Have you tried using anti-dandruff shampoos? i.e. Nizoral being the most effective. The chemicals in these shampoos help kill of the yeast on your skin, and therefore help improve the condition.

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #42 on: Friday September 08, 2006, 02:09:33 PM »
no i hvnt used steriods i use to use diprobase as moisturer as evething esle stang and burnt he gave me darkatort cream but even that stang slighty is seborrheic ezcema slighty pus little yellow heads under skin skin feels dry and course??

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #43 on: Monday September 18, 2006, 04:10:26 PM »
just wondering saint if you could respond to my last message bout seb excema thanks

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #44 on: Thursday September 21, 2006, 08:13:07 PM »
Hi Saint,

My skin has settled from being 90% E to 15% on face and arms

I'm trying not to wash my face or body to much.  Apparently,  water dries the skin out more.

So I tend to put Cyder Vinegar (apple) in the water to bring skin to correct PH and then use oatmeal and salt combination to soothe the skin.

I think the main thing that really helps the skin is called Aalgo seaweed powder...it replenishes the oils in the skin.

Cutting out sugar and flour products stops the skin from being inflamed and oozey and drinking kefir as well as water.

I found out that drinking too much water or veg juices causes my skin to detoxify and flake off in buckets....  The kefir has really brought beautiful skin tone to me and really strong nails (good for scratching?!) 

I think I'll get my nails done in a beauty salon as false nails are soft and don't damage the skin as my friends do say.

Pigmentation on my hands is much better due to kefir.

Hgh - Sytropin brand to get rid of wrinkles on hands and restore muscle tone.  (had E for 7 years and has left my skin more wrinkled than mummy's whose now 65!!  :-\)

Going to buy a zapper, Three Lac and Biokult acidophilus to get rid of candida and parasites.

Apparently, E is caused by  the ascaris parasite.  Check out info on Curezone.

Will do 3rd liver flush next week to get rid of gallstones...apparently everyone has them - even 10 year old kids!!  Anyway, 2nd flush should get rid of a few...Those with E are prescribed 10 flushes to clear gall bladder of stones.  My skin should be absolutely kissable after that...I can't wait!! :-*

Hope the above helps...Oh yes, forgot to mention olive oil and coconut oil...very good and more gentle on skin than shea butter.

Dr Mercola has a website on coconut oil which makes an interesting read.

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #45 on: Thursday September 21, 2006, 08:22:07 PM »
Hi Saint, me again...

Just remembered to say that eating lots of salad - you know 9 varieties of veg including loads of cucumber helps the skin calm down from the inside.

With lashings of avocado and oily fish like tuna, mackerel and salmon.

Much better than chicken.  Try this for three weeks and if you fancy something sweet, just stick to apples and see what happens to your face.

I'm talking large bowlfuls of salad eg, lettuce, spinach, red pepper, onions, apples, lemon juice from real lemons, spring onions, diced cabbage (make it really colourful, red, orange, yellow and especially green) with avocado and go to sleep on that, you'll find your face loves you for it...

Trust me, no funny sodas of any kind...tough, but it really works to calm the skin down.  My skin is bad at the mo because of a stint in hospital on hospital food...imagine toast 1st thing am and last thing pm...Very bad for skin...

Anyway, 2nd week of being out was there for 2 weeks.  Skin 10 days to repair itself.  I don't use steroid creams or stuff, maybe that's why...

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #46 on: Friday September 22, 2006, 07:33:12 AM »
You might want to try Nigella Oil, it works for me!!!
It is not popular here but we used it back home all the time (India).
Hope it helps:

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You can try the hemp butter also and maybe the soap.

See what you think and let me know...

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #47 on: Sunday February 18, 2007, 11:12:08 PM »
I use cetaphil cream on my face.  Everything else seems to sting and itch.  My doctor gave me "hydrocortisone in ketakanozal" to help with mild flare-ups and "betaderm" to help with bad flare-ups.  After a few months of sticking to just these three products, I can say with a fair bit of confidence that this thing is under control.  It seems to have upgraded to just severely dry flakey skin (which I have had for years) rather than seb eczema.  But, unlike before, I have to be really careful which moisturizer I treat the dry skin with or else the seb eczema comes back.  Vaseline used sparingly also helps when my skin is dry, but when the skin is red it seems to make thinks worse, so I go straight for the steroids.

I used to use emulsifying ointment to clease with, which helped my dry flakey skin immensely but once the seb eczema started, it only made things worse.  Today, I have gone back to using it and I hope my skin tolerates it becuase it really is a lifesaver.

The problem with this consition is it has two factors that require opposing treatments.  Eczema improves with moisture.  Seborrehea is caused by yeast, which is a fungas, so it gets worse with moisture.  You can moisturize all you want, but 9 tims out of 10 that just feds the yeast with irritates the skin, making the eczema worse.  Or you can dry out the skin which just leads cracking and tightness, also not acceptable.  Steroids make everything better but we all know you can't use those forever.

What I did when it was bad was rub all the dead skin off my face in the shower (yeast loves to grow in dead skin), and then instantly moisturize with cetaphil cream when I got out of the shower, later applying the steroid creams.  I thought of it like "out with the bad, in with the good."  Eventually things calmed down to the point where I didn't need the steroid creams often, and now I am hopeing I am able to switch back to my old less drying face washing routine with emulsifying ointment.

Wow, lots of typing.  I hope this helps!

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #48 on: Wednesday February 21, 2007, 06:34:45 AM »
My husband is a scientist is has been reading about skin issues, he suggests seborrhiec dermatitis may be a biotin deficiency manifestation.  Biotin is made by bacteria in the gut, so you may also want to use probiotics to build your own beneficial bacteria as well as try a biotin supplement (to clear dermatitis you may need a higher dose of biotin than in a multiple, ask your doctor or naturapath for dosage.
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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #49 on: Wednesday February 21, 2007, 04:54:27 PM »
My husband is a scientist is has been reading about skin issues, 
Best wishes to you all.
Your best wishes are appreciated.  Science includes a wide array of different subjects.  Is there some particular branch of science that your husband works in that makes his contribution to this subject compelling and meaningful?
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« Reply #50 on: Wednesday February 21, 2007, 08:18:08 PM »
Research is the best form of education.
There isn't one answer for eczema just like there isn't only one form of eczema. Many dietary issues can manifest as eczema. Could be other b vitamins, zinc, essential fatty acids (GLA particularly), et cetera.
Biotin is produced by bacteria in the gut. Deficiency is not limited to genetic disorders.
Google for it, see biotin in wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biotin), or try PubMed.

From Wikipedia:
Initial symptoms of biotin deficiency include:

Dry skin
Seborrheic dermatitis
Fungal infections
Rashes including erythematous periorofacial macular rash
Fine and brittle hair
Hair loss or total alopecia

If left untreated, neurological symptoms can develop, including:

Mild depression, which may progress to profound lassitude and, eventually, to somnolence
Changes in mental status
Generalized muscular pains (myalgias)
Hyperesthesias and paresthesias
The treatment for biotin deficiency is to simply start taking some biotin supplements.


From PubMed:

Generalized seborrhoeic dermatitis. Clinical and therapeutic data of 25 patients.
Messaritakis J, Kattamis C, Karabula C, Matsaniotis N.
Twenty-five infants with generalized seborrhoeic dermatitis have been studied with reference to the provision of optimum treatment. Leucocyte counts and chest x-ray examination are recommended in every case. Irrespective of clinical findings, antibiotics should be given to patients with overt bacterial infection and those with leucocytosis, shift to the left, and toxic granulation. One group of infants was treated with vitamin B complex plus biotin given slowly intravenously over 24 hours; a second group was given only biotin intravenously over 2-3 hours; and a third group only biotin over 1-2 minutes. A fourth group was treated with both biotin and antibiotics for confirmed or suspected superimposed bacterial infection. The results were excellent in all groups. Skin lesions improved within 4-8 days and cleared completely within 15-30 days. Intravenous administration of biotin is recommended as less painful and less dangerous than multiple intramuscular injections.



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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #51 on: Thursday February 22, 2007, 03:39:09 AM »
I generally answer direct questions put to me in one way or another.
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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #52 on: Saturday February 24, 2007, 03:02:58 PM »
I have found relief from Dr. Biamonte _at_ link removed--please contact this member via PM if interested.  I have seborrheic Dermititis under my nose.  I am not completely cured yet but I expect to be when I am done with his program.  My condition was caused by candida, I believe.  You should look up Dr. B on the internet.  I highly recommend him.
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« Reply #53 on: Saturday February 24, 2007, 03:15:25 PM »
i feel for you sqxl, i have similar problems...

i supposedley have seb derm but i have folliculits as well as not being able to go outside as my skin burns


now i first got anti biotics and dakacort skin wasnt to bad on it although using the dakacort for longer than 2 weeks on face aint a good idea.....

when i stopped the anti biotics my skin went mad again....as usual i knew this would happen...

anyway i have decided to go on a anti yeast/candida diet....

i went to see another derm he put me on nizoral/protopic and some hair stuff and more anti biotics ...

joke if you ask me, i used the pro topic my skin went mad with spots, the thing is the more we irritate with this crap the harder it is going to be to get the skin better and opens all other sorts of problems.. i am traumatised by the whole thing ...

having had good skin all my life now at 33 having this without being able to go out, i have this yellow stuff coming off me skin god knows what it is .....i find that when i put anything nearly on my skin it irriatates it or if i have something on it im worrying is it making my skin worse....the thing is derms dont know and i know it is hard cause skin condition are all different but we should all should be looking at internal things here really i read a lot about ppl using this cream and that cream but really if you're finding that all creams irritate then we need to look inside...

yes i have been suicidal about my condition really have spend most days in bed as i dont know what to do anymore as the derms dont know they thing the yeast on my skin is causing the problem i have become obsessed with everything to what i eat worried if i have eaten something is it making it worse also the creams i put on my face as well does it make it worse and everytime you use a different cream you're skin is going to get irritated cause it doesnt like anything really on it ....


plus i cant go outside due to the skin burning etc..
as for a lot of these chemicals in these products they arent good sls is a dreadful ingredients some say they put it in products to purposely irritate the skin would pharm companies do such a thing you bet they would....
it can be very hard to find a product for you're skin i remember when i was given double base and how my skin went mad, like one of my friends said putting petrol on a fire , which basically is what most of these derm products are full of ......

i also find heat/ cigratte smoke computer screens etc make my skin worse and god knows what else .....
and of course the fact that i am emotionally a mess doesnt help...

the problem lies in your gut.  it is caused by candida, i believe.  goto link removed--please contact this member via PM if interested.  dr. biamonte will help you.  he helpd me.  i had seborrheic derm under my nose for years.  i am not cured yet but i have seen a big improvement by his methods and i am not done yet with the program.
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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #54 on: Saturday February 24, 2007, 06:10:23 PM »
This outfit is not devoid of informational value.  They also offer nutritional consultations (with credit card payments.  The fellow is a CNN, not an MD, which doesn't neccesarily affect the value of his input).  Most people will not be harmed and some might benefit from the service of general nutritional education.

sdskin too says some worthwhile and valid things.
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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #55 on: Wednesday September 17, 2008, 01:52:44 PM »
hi saint, ive read most of your thread tonight and i feel for your troubles. I dont have seb ezcema i have atopic ezcema but in the last few months have developed a red face. I too believe it to be a yeast/candida problem but internal not external. So im giving up beer, caffiene and sugar to see if it makes a difference.

Anyway back to the red face problem, i had been using elacon precribed by a gp and after a couple of weeks controlled the problem but im unwilling to use it too much past 3 weeks. Ive looked at your list of facial moisturises and have used some of them, recently the shea and cocoa butter with little effect.

But ive found Garnier skin natural Nutritionist to be quite helpful after a couple of days reduced the reddness. It has a calming effect on hot facial skin, mainly uses extracts of kiwi fruit. You probably can get it where you are so have a look at it.


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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #56 on: Saturday November 23, 2013, 04:38:29 AM »
Hello there...it looks like Saint has disappeared?

Anyway, I just wanted to revive this thread...after the flare up over the last year, my skin was really acting up on my face, sunburn, cold sores, red, dry, flaking, itchy, burning - you name it. The only things I was using was Shea butter blended with olive oil, coconut oil or Vaseline.

Anyway, finally I asked the advice of Dee, founder of Moorspa mud products in UK, what to do.

She recommended a moor mud cleansing and mud facial routine.  That was 3 weeks ago. The skin flaking and sensitivity has lessened considerably after the first use.

Please bear in mind that I have been a regular customer for the last 8 years but did not do a facial regime  which I was sticking to.  My face is a lot better and I am pleased with the result

I also drink litres of nettle tea daily as well as a few mugs of apple cider vinegar with honey and hot water.  Resets the PH balance of the skin. I have also started adding 2 tablespoons of raw coconut oil to these hot drinks to kill the candida yeast or rather minimise it.

Hopes this helps someone with bad seb derm like myself and Saint.
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« Reply #57 on: Tuesday December 17, 2013, 01:27:32 PM »
Hi there....I am still using shea butter and coconut oil for moisturising my face. Most other creams do not moisturise my skin enough, whether they be from GPs or elsewhere.

For the last 6 days, I have been drinking lots of avocado smoothies or carrot, apple, parsley juice. I applied the moor mud to my face after washing with the moor mud soap. Then moisturised my face several times during the day with shea butter and raw coconut oil. My skin is very dry and tight, but when I woke up this morning, there were no flakes in sight.

I have also been taking 3-5 tablespoons of Udos oil daily. My mum noticed a difference in my skin yesterday.  I did not know what I had on my face was seb derm.  It initially started when I was put on medication for something else. I am not on any drugs now for the last 3 months and my skin is settling down at last...
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