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Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« on: Tuesday August 16, 2005, 04:14:35 PM »
Hello Everyone!

Its been a while since I posted on here, and when I did, I didnt post a lot anyway ! :)

I have Facial Seborrheic Eczema and its been an absolute pain over the past 9 months or so.

It all started from when I was getting hot and sweaty, be it working out in the Gym to other activities. Afterwards I would rub my face with my hands and it made my face sore and red.

I started treating it with consumer products such as E45 cream and Sudacrem, but after a month or so I realised that the creams were making my face worse, more red and sore. This typically happened only while I was asleep though. If I applied the cream in the daytime, I may notice a slight reaction, but nothing near what I would wake upto if I had left the cream on over night. Im not sure why this was, perhaps something todo with me scratching whilst I am asleep or skin temprature at night. Not sure if anyone else has experienced this?

Anyway, as a result my face is now very sensitive to any cream.

I went to see the doctor who at first prescribed Diprobase for moisturising and Eumovate Topical Steroid for treating the eczema. The diprobase was awful! Made my face so sore and swollen. So I stopped using it. The Eumovate was much better and at first seemed to work quite well, but then after constant use for about two weeks, it got to a point where some of the redness wouldnt clear at all.

So I went back a month later and the doctor said it probably is something in the "base" of the creams affecting me. He prescribed Daktacort Cream for my face as he told me my type of Eczema was a sort of yeast infection based problem. The Daktacort cream has an anti-bacterial element which should help.

For the first month this was fantastic and my face cleared right up, but I kept using the cream daily and the eczema came back slightly.

Thats pretty much where I am with my face at the moment. No where near as bad as it once was, but still quite red, not swolled, just red and dry. Im using Daktacort HC cream which is available over the counter but doesnt seem to help much at all. If my face gets swollen, it helps with that but not with clearing up the redness anymore.

Which is where I am stuck. I am almost positive that if my face was kept moisturised then I probably wouldnt have any or many further problems. But that in itself is a problem....the following moisturisers I am about to list all seem to affect my face badly.

E45 Cream
Diprobase
Oilatum Cream/Oil
Doublebase
Aveeno Cream
Epaderm
Aqueaus Cream
Palmers Cocoa Butter
Eucerin Creams

The Eucerin doesnt seem so bad, but it doesnt seem to help my face, the redness persists and dryness the following day.

Im hoping someone on here can recommend a moisturiser, something which I can get via the Internet or in the UK as this is where I live. I think I need a moisturiser that is simple as possible, with not many ingredients. But before anyone suggests vaseline, that doesnt seem to help either. I tried some last night before I slept and couldnt stop itching and my face felt really hot this morning.

Yet if I apply the vaseline in the day, most times my face seems ok, then again there are other times I think "wow, my face is quite red". If I knew what was affecting me it would have been over months ago!

Also, if anyone has similar trouble to me, and is coping well with it or is clear ... perhaps you could recommend a Daily Care routine with what products you use and so forth?

Any help is appreciated!

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday August 16, 2005, 04:29:43 PM »
I had a bad facial flare this summer and my derm prescribed Mildison Lipocream (it's a hydrocortisone) for my face and it has worked wonders.  Like you there are only certain creams and ointments I can tolerate, especially on my face, and this is why my derm prescribed this one for me. 

I don't have any suggestions to offer about moisturisers since I have tried so many that now I have given up trying and just stick with my trusty 50/50.  I do use it sparingly and rub it well in. (it is basically a softer and less greasy form of vaseline).  I just mention it in case you have not tried it in this form.

I use emulsifying wax in water (you can get it from the chemist) to wash my face with.

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« Reply #2 on: Tuesday August 16, 2005, 04:53:35 PM »
Hi Gobe,

Is the Mildison Lipocream just hydrocortisone or does it have anti-bacterial properties?

Also do you know if it is availble in the UK?

I haven't tried the 50/50 ... but it might be worth a bash :D

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« Reply #3 on: Tuesday August 16, 2005, 05:03:58 PM »
Just thought .... im actually using something called "MediHoney" at the moment which has like 3 ingrediants including Australian Honey.

Im not sure if its working though. My face feels better, but looks the same or maybe worse.

I am thinking of trying pure Shea butter? Hopefully being pure it might work and not affect my face.

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday August 16, 2005, 05:18:57 PM »
It's just a hydro so might not be suitable for your face.  It should be available in the UK.  I am from Scotland. ;)

Hmm if your face is still red then I would be a bit wary of the honey.  Yes I have heard good things about shea butter.  Please let me know how you get on with it if you give it a go.

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday August 16, 2005, 05:28:20 PM »
Hmmm, thanks Gobe.

I have ordered a very small amount of the Shea Butter, will let you know how I get on.

Although im still open to other recommendations! :)

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday August 16, 2005, 05:39:50 PM »
I have seborrhoeic dermatitis and thoroughly recommend that you try Cyclax Vitamin E Face & Body Cream.  Its not pretentious, gives no false promises or blurb, but to put it quite simply...it saved my sanity.

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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday August 17, 2005, 06:39:13 PM »
Well I have ordered the Shea Butter and will be trying that tomorrow.

I will also look at ordering that Cyclax cream aswell.

Will moisturising alone reduce and clear the redness or do I have to apply some topical steroid to help the process along before I just treat it daily with moisturiser?

I really wish I could find a moisturiser that works for me :(

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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday August 17, 2005, 08:21:27 PM »
I have Seb Derm and Rosacea as well and I just bought this moisturizer called ATOPALM MLE Cream.  This product is supposed to repair skin's own barrier function by replenishing essential lipids. MLE (Multi Lamellar Emulsion) Cream is ideal for those with extremely dry and sensitive skin types, including irritable or flaky skin and redness.  I have not received it yet, but from reviews I read this is a great product.

The ATOPALM MLE Cream has a clinical study behind it showing it helps with dry skin, itching, erythema, and scales.

Here is a link to the clinical study:
http://atopalm.co.uk/summaries/summary1.html

I bought the ATOPALM MLE Cream _at_ skinstore.com
http://www.skinstore.com/store/product.asp?catID=0&prodID=2571
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Re: Facial Seborrheic Eczema - Moisturisers Advice & Guidance
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday August 17, 2005, 11:29:59 PM »
Im from the UK and that ATOPALM MLE Cream is quite expensive!! £24.00 for a tub/tube.

Pitty there is no way of getting a smaller size or a sample?

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« Reply #10 on: Wednesday August 17, 2005, 11:35:16 PM »
After a bit of research the UK ATOPALM website does offer free samples, but the form seems to be broken and I wonder if I would ever actually receive it?  :-\
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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday August 17, 2005, 11:39:19 PM »


Will moisturising alone reduce and clear the redness or do I have to apply some topical steroid to help the process along before I just treat it daily with moisturiser?


Well it never does for me.  My facial  *E was red from May until I saw the derm again last month and it was he who prescribed me the hydro.  I never even asked him -- I guess I must have looked quite red in the face! 

I really don't like using topcial steroids on my face but sometimes it is the only thing that gets rid of the redness and burny feeling.  (well for me anyway).

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« Reply #12 on: Wednesday August 17, 2005, 11:55:06 PM »
Might have to head off to the GP again and ask for either Daktacort cream or some other anti-bacterial steroid.

Its the worst it has been in a long time tonight. I have had to settle for Eumovate ointment in order to calm it down a bit.

If I could find the right combination of moisturiser and steriod I would be sorted! Grrrrrr!

Also, I wish I had a better understanding of my condition and what I use to treat it.

I mean, why the hell do all of the moisturisers I use make my condition either worse or no improvement? ..... I have tried alsorts, with different chemical compositions. SOme with lanolin, some without. Some with SLS, some without etc .....

I think I will try the Shea butter tomorrow, no steroid after tonight, even though my face is red and tender. If no change day after tomorrow then I will head back to GP and get another cream :-/

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« Reply #13 on: Wednesday August 17, 2005, 11:57:08 PM »
I think that is a good plan sgx.saint.

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« Reply #14 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 12:17:28 AM »
Hmmm....

Out of interest how long after application say or Moisturiser or Topical Steroid should you notice a difference in skin tone?

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« Reply #15 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 01:03:52 AM »
After a bit of research the UK ATOPALM website does offer free samples, but the form seems to be broken and I wonder if I would ever actually receive it?  :-\

Hi,  well if your from the UK you can call them for a free sample.
Click on the "contact Us" Link   http://atopalm.co.uk/main.html

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« Reply #16 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 01:53:03 AM »
I have sent them an email anyway.

Not too long till my Shea Butter arrives :)

Just dont know if I should get my Eczema under control with steroids first, or just go ahead and use the butter straight away :-/
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 04:18:01 AM »
Something I would share with you all is that for Atopic Eczema, anywhere apart from the face I find that "Original Health Soap" to be a miracle worker.

It cleared up a bad case of eczema in two weeks, with skin completely clear.

I tried using it on my face however, and it made it worse and really tight and sore .. couldnt live with the pain and the redness so I stopped.

But for everywhere else its great.

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« Reply #18 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 09:34:28 AM »
Sgt Saint ~

My facial E usually starts to show improvements in a couple of days and usually I get it well under control in a week.  If I notice a new patch of E then I dab some hydro on for a couple of days to nip it in the bud.  It can take a few weeks of this to get the face completely clear sometimes.

Personally I would be wary of trying anything new on your face whilst it is still in a flare since your face will be extra sensitive.

I have not used soap on my face for years and only use the emulsifying wax to wash my face with and I use warm not hot water then gently pat with a towel.  I only wash my face once every 24 hours (in the morning) and I dont wear foundation, powder or blusher.  Less is more I think when it comes to my face.

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« Reply #19 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 04:25:21 PM »
Well, I have bit the bullet and I am just using Shea Butter now .... applied a slathering this morning after my shower.

Not going to apply anything else until tomorrow. Face still quite red .... so see how it goes :)

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« Reply #20 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 04:39:03 PM »
hey sgx.saint :hi:
Have you ever tried the Hemp face cream from the body shop ? It really helped my  *E (woohoo go bouncy go !)
They also do a hand cream version which is thicker and gloopier but i used on my face when it was more dry.
I agree with Gobe too, I haven't used to soap to wash my face since i was very little. Just water or a little aqueous cream or baby oil :)
Let us know how you get on with the Shea butter though because I haven't tried that before.

Good luck :hug:

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« Reply #21 on: Thursday August 18, 2005, 05:33:30 PM »
Yeah, I only wash with Warm Water nothing else, havent done for past 9 months.

To be honest ..... the Seb Eczema I have on my face ..... what usually works best is a blast of anti-bacterial steroid then nothing at all.

My face seems to be so unhappy with any cream I put on it, it tends to do better in the long run with nothing on it at all.

I am not feeling confident in the Shea Butter, I mean im sure its a wonderful product but 5 hours into having it on my face ..... it feels a tad itchy in areas.

When I look at the creams, its almost as if the creams help the spread of the eczema .... weird I know .... perhaps the best thing with a yeast infection is not to use many creams ... they might make it worse .....

Still, I will wait till tomorrow to see how face feels/looks then.
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« Reply #22 on: Saturday August 20, 2005, 06:33:47 PM »
Hi sgx.saint :)
My own regime for treating my facial seb derm is to use Simple soap everday and in the event of a wee flare up apply a touch of Dakacort, i find using the Simple soap has helped my skin stay less greasy on the affected area`s(mostly side`s of nose)and improve my skin greatly :)
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« Reply #23 on: Sunday August 21, 2005, 09:07:19 PM »
Well the Shea Butter didnt work as planned .... :(

I did a lot of research into Seb Eczema though last night, so I went out today confidentally to buy some new products to treat it.

Its basically a problem with Yeast on the skin ... so I bought Nizoral Shampoo / Daktarin Gold and Daktarin cream.

All designed to tackle yeast infections like Seb Eczema.

Now two days into the treatments, my face is soooooooooooooo bad :( :(

The creams seem to make my skin so dry its unbelievable. I was so confident in the creams that they would work by killing of the yeast on my skin.

And as I dont have a moisturiser to use which works on my skin, my face is a complete mess.

I have just used Eumovate on my face to try and help it a bit.

God, Im getting sick of this condition .......... it should be treatable at least ............. I know deep down that it is completely manageable ... if I could find the right balance of treatments.

I dont get to see a Derm for weeks as I have to wait for an appointment. Only option is to go back to GP and ask for Dakatcort cream again, which worked well. However, I bought Daktacort HC cream which I assume is the same and it seems to make my face worse !!

I really wish I could find a combination of products that would work.

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« Reply #24 on: Sunday August 21, 2005, 09:12:30 PM »
Very sorry to hear that saint. :hug:

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday August 21, 2005, 10:26:12 PM »
Sorry to hear this sgx.saint. :(

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« Reply #26 on: Monday August 22, 2005, 12:33:34 AM »
Well Ive been using the ATOPALM cream for 4 days now since I got it and its helped tremendesly.  This cream seams to calm my rosacea a little and flaking of the skin has been minimilized.  I use the cream on my face morning and night.  The rashes are virtually gone that were by my nose.  So far so good.

I think the problem is that your over washing your face stripping the natural oils which cause more flaking and more rash.  I would put a mosterizer like atopalm on the face and minimize the use of soaps and such for a week to test it out.  Nizoral helps with dandruff but is a very drying product to the skin especially if you use it on the face.

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« Reply #27 on: Monday August 22, 2005, 02:57:42 AM »
Hey All.

Thankyou for your kind words and help :)

Well, update first .... my face isnt so sore or red at the moment, I blasted it with Eumovate Topical steroid and then applied some Daktarin cream ontop. Kind of home made attempt at a Daktacort cream.

in relation to Daktacort. The prescription stuff which has to be kept in a fridge worked wonders on my face .. but the over the counter stuff that doesnt need to be kept chilled seems to dry my skin out more and is not as effective even though the ingrediants are more or less the same :O

I wonder why this is?

I agree, mixing creams and then constantly washing my face does not help.

The Daktarin creams both Gold and Normal seem to dry my skin out just like the Nizoral. Perhaps its something todo with the anti-fungal stuff in them.

The Daktarin normal cream has the same active component as the Daktacort cream.

So I am tempted to go back to the doctor, try the Daktacort cream again and maybe try this ATOPALM stuff. Although its very expensive :(

The Shea butter didnt work as I said, seemed quite thick and difficult to apply. So Im still after a suitable misturiser which wont make my face worse.

Every cream I seem to apply, my face seems the same or slightly redder and shinier after a few hours. The only cream that seems to take effect and you can see it is the Daktacort cream or was the Daktacort cream.

I need a mosituriser which I can apply and see the difference after a few hours .....
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« Reply #28 on: Monday August 22, 2005, 03:40:52 AM »
hi

I have a prob with seb derm, it started in my scalp and ended up affecting my face. When i was in london i saw a derm there who told me finally what i had and presrcribed dactakort. Anyways i was happy i had finally been given a diagnosis and something to use to make it go away. So i used it religiously everyday 2x for 2weeks and then once ever day/several weeks. I wish someone had told me that it was a steriod and that it causes thinning of the skin. Plus, the skin on your face is thinner than the rest of your skin. Plus i think your skin can become dependant on it.

I was wondering if you could stop using everything for 3weeks and just use dove sensetive to wash your face. It has 1/4mosturizer in it and its gentle. A word of advice it may cause your skin to feel tight but eventually an hour or so later it wont be feeling like that. If you still need something to moisturize with, you can try olive oil. You can buy it from one of those natural stores. Aloe vera gel/lotion is good too, it helps soothe red irritated skin.

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« Reply #29 on: Monday August 22, 2005, 04:19:29 AM »
Yeah I know your skin can become dependent on it.

I was thinking of using the Daktacort for a week or so to clear my skin up to the best possible condition, then slowly ween my way off it.

This would work, if I can find a suitable moisturiser aswell ..........

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« Reply #30 on: Thursday August 25, 2005, 12:33:24 AM »
Hello Everyone!



Hello

Hi

i suffer of seborrheci dermatitis for 10 years it is awfull and the usual medication is not so good. I was taking anti-fungical and corticosteroids. Usually i had to do that 2-3 times a week;

now i have tryed, based on several studys, to put pure or diluted honey in my face (centrofacial zone) at night and since then i didn´t have needed to use corticoids. To anyone that wants to try use a tablespoon of honey and dilute in other of warm water. Try it at night and let it be for about 30 minutes then apply your usual daily cream (i use ictyane from Ducray- each people have different skin and different taste). [/b]I only ask for the tryers to tell me how it went to them. I am a medical student and i´ve tryed many things with no very good results.

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« Reply #31 on: Friday August 26, 2005, 12:55:03 AM »
Very sorry to hear that Saint

I suffer of seborrheic dermatitis since my 14 years (i´m 23).
I used every cream you can imagine and till 3 weeks ago i was using potent coricoids (advantan) and clotrimazol. To the hair i do shampoo of olamina piroctona. I´m a medical student (allready made dermatology discipline) in Portugal. I´ll try to help you, but i need your feedback.

Seborrheic dermatitis may presents itself of many ways.

Where do you have (nose, centrofacial zone, hair, chest, ???); How is it? Red, with pellicules, itchy (how many)? What are you taking (say the active principles - in Portugal they have other names.

Actually i´ve tryed honey and no symptoms for three weeks.

Say something. (sorry the bad english)

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« Reply #32 on: Monday August 29, 2005, 09:18:24 PM »
Apologies to those who have seen me write about this before, but since no one has mentioned it, I'd like to tell you how I have completely controlled my Seb Derm.

I wash my face once in the morning and once in the evening with either Garnier Synergie Deep Pore Wash, or Johnson & Johnson Clean & Clear Exfoliating Daily Wash.  This gets rid of the excess oil on my face which causes my flare-ups.  Whilst it does make my skin dry and a bit flakey, I have not had one flare-up in nearly TWO YEARS since I started doing this.

If my skin is really dry, I'll use either Eumobase concentrated rehydration cream by GlaxoSmithKline, or Eucerin Dry Skin Therapy.  I use these only when I have to get rid of the unslightly flakes, but as soon as I am back at home, I'll wash  my face as above.  I have found that neither of these creams cause bad flare-ups, but I'm certain that if I put them on my face before going to bed, that I'd have a flare-up the next morning.  My face seems to be able to cope with them for a few hours at a time only.

Basically, wherever possible, I don't use the creams and just wash my face twice a day.  My family and friends are now used to seeing me with dry skin on my face.  I'd much rather this than big red (and sometimes) painful patches on my forehead, nose and cheeks.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #33 on: Sunday October 02, 2005, 04:57:49 AM »
Hey All.

Long time in posting.

Thankyou for all the replies.

I have since been to a derm for patch testing .... the result ..... out of the 92 things tested, I am allergic to none. Which is good and bad news really.

To be honest what I understand about "Seb Eczema" is that its all todo with the Yeast rather than an allergy to something, although I am aware there can be a secondary issue with being allergic to something.

So, I am no further forward at the moment.

I have analysed my condition in as much detail as possible. This is a summary of what I know:-

(*) Condition seems to get worse overnight, not every night, but whatever flares my 'seb eczema' up, it happens 99% of the time overnight, as the next morning my face is worse
(*) Daktacort cream is the only cream that clears my face up to about 95% clear. Problem with this cream is that after constant use, the cream becomes less effective and seems to make my face worse. If I take a break, of say 3 weeks between using it, then it becomes fantastically effective again.
(*) I have tried a large variety of moisturisers and none seem to benefit my face in any shape or form. I either have an instant reaction to them, i.e. over a 3 hour period or overnight and the next morning they have made my face worse. Or the most common, they have no affect at all.
(*) I have tried washing daily with Nizoral shampoo, but this dries my face out and as a result I see no improvement in my skin.
(*) Some moisturisers seem to make the eczema worse, almost as if they help the eczema spead to new areas of my face, as if they act as a medium.

I am hoping as many people as possible with Seb Eczema will reply to this thread with perhaps a snapshot of how they control//cure/maintain there eczema. For example, what is your daily routine? What products do you use?

I am trying to find someone who has had similar problems as me, and found a way to manage their condition in a hope that I can too try out new techniques.

I have listed below creams/treatments I have used:-

(*) E45 Cream ( Bad, face reacted badly to this cream )
(*) Aveeno Oil/Cream ( Bad, ^ )
(*) Oilatum Oil/Cream ( Bad ^ )
(*) Eucerin 10% Urea and 5% Face Cream ( Bad, the face cream was worse than the 10% cream, the 10% cream I thought was working at first )
(*) Shea Butter ( Bad ^ )
(*) Nivea Moisturiser ( Bad ^ )
(*) Eucerin Facial Toner ( Bad ^ )
(*) Cocoa Butter Cream / Palmers ( Bad ^ )

Im currently taking Evening Primrose tablets/multivitamins to help aid with the healing process.

Any feedback on this topic is much appreciated!

Cheers

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« Reply #34 on: Sunday October 02, 2005, 06:09:46 AM »
 :) Hiya Saint

I havnt got seb derm but I have got an awful itchy scalp due to my meds. I notice that you havnt tried the stuff I use, as recommended by a couple of our seb derm lads. I use Selsun suspension, more info here : http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100002359.html It works a treat for me !

We have been discussing on another thread lately Sodium Lauryl Sulfate and the effect it can have on people that are sensitive to it, so you might want to look for some products that dont contain this ingrediant, see if ruling it out helps, more info here : http://www.holistichealthtools.com/sls.html

For moisturising, have you tried a simple Aqueous cream ? http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/medicines/100000160.html

I hope you find something that makes a real difference soon  :)

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« Reply #35 on: Sunday October 02, 2005, 02:39:26 PM »
Hey!

Yes, I try to avoid SLS as much as possible, even though I am unsure if SLS would actually affect my skin in any way.

Yes I tried aqueaus cream, but made my skin even worse, was one of the first creams I tried and even contains SLS !

I tried the Atopalm cream as recommended a few posts up ... seemed ok at first, but I think when my face is in a flare, any moisturiser seems to make it work. As my skin seemed to cope more with the atopalm when my skin was almost clear, rather than now when it is red.

Perhaps I just cannot use any cream when my face is in a flare .......

Anyway, thankyou for the first reply to my post :D
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« Reply #36 on: Tuesday October 04, 2005, 06:20:56 AM »
Hmm i have a very similar problem.....im 18 now but it started getting really uncontrallable like 2 years ago.....

And one of the things i know is really affecting my eczema is my long hot showers, i just can't bring myself to stop!!!  I have had the test and stuff done and found that im highly sensitive to pollen......what can i do about that?!?!  And one other thing.....i use moisturiser like there's no tomorow....a bottle every few months(500mL).
 This is what i do:
- come out of showe, still damp, put moisturiser on
- re apply moisturiser within 20minutes, or my skin just feels sooo dry!
- re apply moisturiser every few hours....
- before bed......paste my face in moisturiser!

I use Aveeno "for sensitive skin" moisturiser.  This is the only thing that works for me, i've tried so many other things but they just don't work....

Also, my face is red and dry all year round......not red, but pink.  Once in a while(every few days) i have to use a steroid cream to clear up my build up of eczema.....
 

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« Reply #37 on: Saturday January 07, 2006, 07:48:36 PM »
i feel for you sqxl, i have similar problems...

i supposedley have seb derm but i have folliculits as well as not being able to go outside as my skin burns


now i first got anti biotics and dakacort skin wasnt to bad on it although using the dakacort for longer than 2 weeks on face aint a good idea.....

when i stopped the anti biotics my skin went mad again....as usual i knew this would happen...

anyway i have decided to go on a anti yeast/candida diet....

i went to see another derm he put me on nizoral/protopic and some hair stuff and more anti biotics ...

joke if you ask me, i used the pro topic my skin went mad with spots, the thing is the more we irritate with this crap the harder it is going to be to get the skin better and opens all other sorts of problems.. i am traumatised by the whole thing ...

having had good skin all my life now at 33 having this without being able to go out, i have this yellow stuff coming off me skin god knows what it is .....i find that when i put anything nearly on my skin it irriatates it or if i have something on it im worrying is it making my skin worse....the thing is derms dont know and i know it is hard cause skin condition are all different but we should all should be looking at internal things here really i read a lot about ppl using this cream and that cream but really if you're finding that all creams irritate then we need to look inside...

yes i have been suicidal about my condition really have spend most days in bed as i dont know what to do anymore as the derms dont know they thing the yeast on my skin is causing the problem i have become obsessed with everything to what i eat worried if i have eaten something is it making it worse also the creams i put on my face as well does it make it worse and everytime you use a different cream you're skin is going to get irritated cause it doesnt like anything really on it ....


plus i cant go outside due to the skin burning etc..
as for a lot of these chemicals in these products they arent good sls is a dreadful ingredients some say they put it in products to purposely irritate the skin would pharm companies do such a thing you bet they would....
it can be very hard to find a product for you're skin i remember when i was given double base and how my skin went mad, like one of my friends said putting petrol on a fire , which basically is what most of these derm products are full of ......

i also find heat/ cigratte smoke computer screens etc make my skin worse and god knows what else .....
and of course the fact that i am emotionally a mess doesnt help...

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« Reply #38 on: Tuesday August 22, 2006, 03:06:42 PM »
just wondered if you found anything to help your seb excema i have the same im having problems finding moisturer ect

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« Reply #39 on: Tuesday September 05, 2006, 06:37:46 PM »
See your other thread, I replied.

Also, where are you from?


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« Reply #40 on: Thursday September 07, 2006, 09:29:59 AM »
im from england suffer with rashes to skins hig-hly sensitive got it on face neck chest

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« Reply #41 on: Friday September 08, 2006, 02:41:08 AM »
Sounds like Seb Eczema to me! Did you say you used a lot of steroids to treat it previously? I have found since using all sorts of topical treatments including steroids that my face is hyper-sensitive now to many things.

If your in England, like me, you should goto your GP and ask to be referred to a Dermatoligist. If your not responding to steriod treatment then you should be able to push them in the direction of something called Tacrolimus Ointment or Protopic, this will almost certainly improve your condition.

www.protopic.com has a lot of information about the ointment if you want to read up on it.

Like I also said in my reply to your other thread, stop using moisturisers, as in my opinion based on self experience, research and fact from several specialists, you will just make it worse. Its poor advice in my opinion to advise someone with Seb Eczema to use moisturiser, as Seb Eczema is a condition which is caused by an oily environment allowing a yeast to thrive and play havock with our immune system. Perhaps a simple way of explaining it, but certainly to the point.

Have you tried using anti-dandruff shampoos? i.e. Nizoral being the most effective. The chemicals in these shampoos help kill of the yeast on your skin, and therefore help improve the condition.

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« Reply #42 on: Friday September 08, 2006, 02:09:33 PM »
no i hvnt used steriods i use to use diprobase as moisturer as evething esle stang and burnt he gave me darkatort cream but even that stang slighty is seborrheic ezcema slighty pus little yellow heads under skin skin feels dry and course??

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« Reply #43 on: Monday September 18, 2006, 04:10:26 PM »
just wondering saint if you could respond to my last message bout seb excema thanks

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« Reply #44 on: Thursday September 21, 2006, 08:13:07 PM »
Hi Saint,

My skin has settled from being 90% E to 15% on face and arms

I'm trying not to wash my face or body to much.  Apparently,  water dries the skin out more.

So I tend to put Cyder Vinegar (apple) in the water to bring skin to correct PH and then use oatmeal and salt combination to soothe the skin.

I think the main thing that really helps the skin is called Aalgo seaweed powder...it replenishes the oils in the skin.

Cutting out sugar and flour products stops the skin from being inflamed and oozey and drinking kefir as well as water.

I found out that drinking too much water or veg juices causes my skin to detoxify and flake off in buckets....  The kefir has really brought beautiful skin tone to me and really strong nails (good for scratching?!) 

I think I'll get my nails done in a beauty salon as false nails are soft and don't damage the skin as my friends do say.

Pigmentation on my hands is much better due to kefir.

Hgh - Sytropin brand to get rid of wrinkles on hands and restore muscle tone.  (had E for 7 years and has left my skin more wrinkled than mummy's whose now 65!!  :-\)

Going to buy a zapper, Three Lac and Biokult acidophilus to get rid of candida and parasites.

Apparently, E is caused by  the ascaris parasite.  Check out info on Curezone.

Will do 3rd liver flush next week to get rid of gallstones...apparently everyone has them - even 10 year old kids!!  Anyway, 2nd flush should get rid of a few...Those with E are prescribed 10 flushes to clear gall bladder of stones.  My skin should be absolutely kissable after that...I can't wait!! :-*

Hope the above helps...Oh yes, forgot to mention olive oil and coconut oil...very good and more gentle on skin than shea butter.

Dr Mercola has a website on coconut oil which makes an interesting read.

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« Reply #45 on: Thursday September 21, 2006, 08:22:07 PM »
Hi Saint, me again...

Just remembered to say that eating lots of salad - you know 9 varieties of veg including loads of cucumber helps the skin calm down from the inside.

With lashings of avocado and oily fish like tuna, mackerel and salmon.

Much better than chicken.  Try this for three weeks and if you fancy something sweet, just stick to apples and see what happens to your face.

I'm talking large bowlfuls of salad eg, lettuce, spinach, red pepper, onions, apples, lemon juice from real lemons, spring onions, diced cabbage (make it really colourful, red, orange, yellow and especially green) with avocado and go to sleep on that, you'll find your face loves you for it...

Trust me, no funny sodas of any kind...tough, but it really works to calm the skin down.  My skin is bad at the mo because of a stint in hospital on hospital food...imagine toast 1st thing am and last thing pm...Very bad for skin...

Anyway, 2nd week of being out was there for 2 weeks.  Skin 10 days to repair itself.  I don't use steroid creams or stuff, maybe that's why...

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« Reply #46 on: Friday September 22, 2006, 07:33:12 AM »
You might want to try Nigella Oil, it works for me!!!
It is not popular here but we used it back home all the time (India).
Hope it helps:

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You can try the hemp butter also and maybe the soap.

See what you think and let me know...

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« Reply #47 on: Sunday February 18, 2007, 11:12:08 PM »
I use cetaphil cream on my face.  Everything else seems to sting and itch.  My doctor gave me "hydrocortisone in ketakanozal" to help with mild flare-ups and "betaderm" to help with bad flare-ups.  After a few months of sticking to just these three products, I can say with a fair bit of confidence that this thing is under control.  It seems to have upgraded to just severely dry flakey skin (which I have had for years) rather than seb eczema.  But, unlike before, I have to be really careful which moisturizer I treat the dry skin with or else the seb eczema comes back.  Vaseline used sparingly also helps when my skin is dry, but when the skin is red it seems to make thinks worse, so I go straight for the steroids.

I used to use emulsifying ointment to clease with, which helped my dry flakey skin immensely but once the seb eczema started, it only made things worse.  Today, I have gone back to using it and I hope my skin tolerates it becuase it really is a lifesaver.

The problem with this consition is it has two factors that require opposing treatments.  Eczema improves with moisture.  Seborrehea is caused by yeast, which is a fungas, so it gets worse with moisture.  You can moisturize all you want, but 9 tims out of 10 that just feds the yeast with irritates the skin, making the eczema worse.  Or you can dry out the skin which just leads cracking and tightness, also not acceptable.  Steroids make everything better but we all know you can't use those forever.

What I did when it was bad was rub all the dead skin off my face in the shower (yeast loves to grow in dead skin), and then instantly moisturize with cetaphil cream when I got out of the shower, later applying the steroid creams.  I thought of it like "out with the bad, in with the good."  Eventually things calmed down to the point where I didn't need the steroid creams often, and now I am hopeing I am able to switch back to my old less drying face washing routine with emulsifying ointment.

Wow, lots of typing.  I hope this helps!

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« Reply #48 on: Wednesday February 21, 2007, 06:34:45 AM »
My husband is a scientist is has been reading about skin issues, he suggests seborrhiec dermatitis may be a biotin deficiency manifestation.  Biotin is made by bacteria in the gut, so you may also want to use probiotics to build your own beneficial bacteria as well as try a biotin supplement (to clear dermatitis you may need a higher dose of biotin than in a multiple, ask your doctor or naturapath for dosage.
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« Reply #49 on: Wednesday February 21, 2007, 04:54:27 PM »
My husband is a scientist is has been reading about skin issues, 
Best wishes to you all.
Your best wishes are appreciated.  Science includes a wide array of different subjects.  Is there some particular branch of science that your husband works in that makes his contribution to this subject compelling and meaningful?
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« Reply #50 on: Wednesday February 21, 2007, 08:18:08 PM »
Research is the best form of education.
There isn't one answer for eczema just like there isn't only one form of eczema. Many dietary issues can manifest as eczema. Could be other b vitamins, zinc, essential fatty acids (GLA particularly), et cetera.
Biotin is produced by bacteria in the gut. Deficiency is not limited to genetic disorders.
Google for it, see biotin in wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biotin), or try PubMed.

From Wikipedia:
Initial symptoms of biotin deficiency include:

Dry skin
Seborrheic dermatitis
Fungal infections
Rashes including erythematous periorofacial macular rash
Fine and brittle hair
Hair loss or total alopecia

If left untreated, neurological symptoms can develop, including:

Mild depression, which may progress to profound lassitude and, eventually, to somnolence
Changes in mental status
Generalized muscular pains (myalgias)
Hyperesthesias and paresthesias
The treatment for biotin deficiency is to simply start taking some biotin supplements.


From PubMed:

Generalized seborrhoeic dermatitis. Clinical and therapeutic data of 25 patients.
Messaritakis J, Kattamis C, Karabula C, Matsaniotis N.
Twenty-five infants with generalized seborrhoeic dermatitis have been studied with reference to the provision of optimum treatment. Leucocyte counts and chest x-ray examination are recommended in every case. Irrespective of clinical findings, antibiotics should be given to patients with overt bacterial infection and those with leucocytosis, shift to the left, and toxic granulation. One group of infants was treated with vitamin B complex plus biotin given slowly intravenously over 24 hours; a second group was given only biotin intravenously over 2-3 hours; and a third group only biotin over 1-2 minutes. A fourth group was treated with both biotin and antibiotics for confirmed or suspected superimposed bacterial infection. The results were excellent in all groups. Skin lesions improved within 4-8 days and cleared completely within 15-30 days. Intravenous administration of biotin is recommended as less painful and less dangerous than multiple intramuscular injections.



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« Reply #51 on: Thursday February 22, 2007, 03:39:09 AM »
I generally answer direct questions put to me in one way or another.
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« Reply #52 on: Saturday February 24, 2007, 03:02:58 PM »
I have found relief from Dr. Biamonte _at_ link removed--please contact this member via PM if interested.  I have seborrheic Dermititis under my nose.  I am not completely cured yet but I expect to be when I am done with his program.  My condition was caused by candida, I believe.  You should look up Dr. B on the internet.  I highly recommend him.
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« Reply #53 on: Saturday February 24, 2007, 03:15:25 PM »
i feel for you sqxl, i have similar problems...

i supposedley have seb derm but i have folliculits as well as not being able to go outside as my skin burns


now i first got anti biotics and dakacort skin wasnt to bad on it although using the dakacort for longer than 2 weeks on face aint a good idea.....

when i stopped the anti biotics my skin went mad again....as usual i knew this would happen...

anyway i have decided to go on a anti yeast/candida diet....

i went to see another derm he put me on nizoral/protopic and some hair stuff and more anti biotics ...

joke if you ask me, i used the pro topic my skin went mad with spots, the thing is the more we irritate with this crap the harder it is going to be to get the skin better and opens all other sorts of problems.. i am traumatised by the whole thing ...

having had good skin all my life now at 33 having this without being able to go out, i have this yellow stuff coming off me skin god knows what it is .....i find that when i put anything nearly on my skin it irriatates it or if i have something on it im worrying is it making my skin worse....the thing is derms dont know and i know it is hard cause skin condition are all different but we should all should be looking at internal things here really i read a lot about ppl using this cream and that cream but really if you're finding that all creams irritate then we need to look inside...

yes i have been suicidal about my condition really have spend most days in bed as i dont know what to do anymore as the derms dont know they thing the yeast on my skin is causing the problem i have become obsessed with everything to what i eat worried if i have eaten something is it making it worse also the creams i put on my face as well does it make it worse and everytime you use a different cream you're skin is going to get irritated cause it doesnt like anything really on it ....


plus i cant go outside due to the skin burning etc..
as for a lot of these chemicals in these products they arent good sls is a dreadful ingredients some say they put it in products to purposely irritate the skin would pharm companies do such a thing you bet they would....
it can be very hard to find a product for you're skin i remember when i was given double base and how my skin went mad, like one of my friends said putting petrol on a fire , which basically is what most of these derm products are full of ......

i also find heat/ cigratte smoke computer screens etc make my skin worse and god knows what else .....
and of course the fact that i am emotionally a mess doesnt help...

the problem lies in your gut.  it is caused by candida, i believe.  goto link removed--please contact this member via PM if interested.  dr. biamonte will help you.  he helpd me.  i had seborrheic derm under my nose for years.  i am not cured yet but i have seen a big improvement by his methods and i am not done yet with the program.
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« Reply #54 on: Saturday February 24, 2007, 06:10:23 PM »
This outfit is not devoid of informational value.  They also offer nutritional consultations (with credit card payments.  The fellow is a CNN, not an MD, which doesn't neccesarily affect the value of his input).  Most people will not be harmed and some might benefit from the service of general nutritional education.

sdskin too says some worthwhile and valid things.
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« Reply #55 on: Wednesday September 17, 2008, 01:52:44 PM »
hi saint, ive read most of your thread tonight and i feel for your troubles. I dont have seb ezcema i have atopic ezcema but in the last few months have developed a red face. I too believe it to be a yeast/candida problem but internal not external. So im giving up beer, caffiene and sugar to see if it makes a difference.

Anyway back to the red face problem, i had been using elacon precribed by a gp and after a couple of weeks controlled the problem but im unwilling to use it too much past 3 weeks. Ive looked at your list of facial moisturises and have used some of them, recently the shea and cocoa butter with little effect.

But ive found Garnier skin natural Nutritionist to be quite helpful after a couple of days reduced the reddness. It has a calming effect on hot facial skin, mainly uses extracts of kiwi fruit. You probably can get it where you are so have a look at it.


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« Reply #56 on: Saturday November 23, 2013, 04:38:29 AM »
Hello there...it looks like Saint has disappeared?

Anyway, I just wanted to revive this thread...after the flare up over the last year, my skin was really acting up on my face, sunburn, cold sores, red, dry, flaking, itchy, burning - you name it. The only things I was using was Shea butter blended with olive oil, coconut oil or Vaseline.

Anyway, finally I asked the advice of Dee, founder of Moorspa mud products in UK, what to do.

She recommended a moor mud cleansing and mud facial routine.  That was 3 weeks ago. The skin flaking and sensitivity has lessened considerably after the first use.

Please bear in mind that I have been a regular customer for the last 8 years but did not do a facial regime  which I was sticking to.  My face is a lot better and I am pleased with the result

I also drink litres of nettle tea daily as well as a few mugs of apple cider vinegar with honey and hot water.  Resets the PH balance of the skin. I have also started adding 2 tablespoons of raw coconut oil to these hot drinks to kill the candida yeast or rather minimise it.

Hopes this helps someone with bad seb derm like myself and Saint.
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« Reply #57 on: Tuesday December 17, 2013, 01:27:32 PM »
Hi there....I am still using shea butter and coconut oil for moisturising my face. Most other creams do not moisturise my skin enough, whether they be from GPs or elsewhere.

For the last 6 days, I have been drinking lots of avocado smoothies or carrot, apple, parsley juice. I applied the moor mud to my face after washing with the moor mud soap. Then moisturised my face several times during the day with shea butter and raw coconut oil. My skin is very dry and tight, but when I woke up this morning, there were no flakes in sight.

I have also been taking 3-5 tablespoons of Udos oil daily. My mum noticed a difference in my skin yesterday.  I did not know what I had on my face was seb derm.  It initially started when I was put on medication for something else. I am not on any drugs now for the last 3 months and my skin is settling down at last...
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